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 Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:59 pm
i got this off of the hitman movie but its a good question
when does a good man(woman) decide when it is right to kill someone? that was the question
is it in defense of a family? a freind?
is it even acceptable to kill? if so why does the military continue to devise ways of killing each other?
and why in war do we get medals for killing lots of people but when one man goes and tries to rectify a wrong done to his family(such as his daughter being killed) does he get incarsarated?
so the question is when is it acceptable to kill anouther human being?
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:35 am
Simply, in my opinion, never. We have no right to decide who deserves to live and who deserves to die. As far as war goes, most of the time it is a matter of kill or be killed, so that becomes a question of human nature verses animal instincts.
But as far as murder goes when there is no immediate threat, even if these people have done wrong to you, it's not a place to punish people for sins. That's what I think. It is never okay to flat out say "I'm going to kill a man today because he did something wrong to me." Two wrongs don't make a right.
As far as medals for killing people, I don't really know what I think about that subject. (Pardon my Pop Culture refernece.) But in Gundam Seed, the main character didn't want to be rewarded for killing, even though it was in a war and if he hadn't of killed the other guy, he would have been killed. I personally would be like that. There isn't a straight answer when it comes to wars. People will say that it's for their country, others will argue that it's not murder, so it's okay.
On the other side, they still are human beings, no matter what side they are on. Most have lives and families to go back to. It becomes complicated when you get into that, so it's your morals, I guess.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:24 pm
it is never okay to kill we, as humans, are no better or worse than any other human. so none of us have the right to decide who dies, including the military, the government, or the pope even.
the reason we might think killing is okay in war is because we klnow that by killing in war, the government will allow it, as they are the ones who would punish you for murder. basically, they only allow killing if it is in their sewrvice. but i believe all killing is wrong. if god(or whoever) wanted them to die, they wpould die. it is not for us to decide. maybe they have a greater purpose yet to serve in this life.
I am a consientious objector, as in i refuse to kill, so even if i was drafted i would never kill anyone. and actually, there is organization you can join which would forbid them from setting you into combat positions if you are ever drafted. you still serve, but only in non-combat positions, like mechanics and such.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:52 am
I'm just fine with executing murderers, repeat rapists, ***** that act on their desires, and so on.
I'll agree with you that I don't have the right to kill these people - vengence is Mine, so saith the Lord - but at the end of the day I'd rather have a wicked person removed from this world, even if it will just be replaced by another wicked person before sundown.
I mean, there's always some new initiate into the lifestyle of pathetic, useless sin, ready to hurt others to get her/his wants met.
I don't care how hypocritical that sounds. Honestly, it really depends on what day of the week you ask me and I might tell you that I'd rather let such filth sit and rot in solitary confinement for the rest of her/his natural life, but today I'd rather go to sleep at night knowing that any one of those pieces of filth cannot take another tainted breath in this world.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:37 am
Killing people in every way is wrong.
I forced-served in an army and I absolutely wanted to know nothing about how to kill people. A war is started by a nation with overdriven property claims on another states property, years ago it was territory, then ideology and today it's resource claims, the other things like evil monsters are nothing more to make it all legit and I absolutely don't want to shoot someone because someone wanted to tell me that he is the enemy.
Sure, there are people who I'd like to see dead, but I would never make my hands dirty on them. Everyone who kills, soldiers and executioners included, put themself on a human level which I don't want to enter. Killers are just human waste which should be locked up in a cell until the end of time.
I wouldn't even kill someone who killed a loved person of me. That's just a cycle which has to be broken somewhere.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 8:49 am
azrael the reaper if god(or whoever) wanted them to die, they wpould die. By this logic, if someone dies, it is by God's (or whoever's) will, even if he/she dies at the hands of another person. This is one of many fallacies that makes me so skeptical about the existence of a higher power. Incidentally, I don't think it is necessarily wrong to kill a person. Sometimes, it is a matter of survival of the fittest. If someone were trying to kill me, someone I love, or the way of life that I love, I would rather stop that person than let him destroy what is important to me. And if killing him is the only way to do that, I would do it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:24 am
Kachan36 azrael the reaper if god(or whoever) wanted them to die, they wpould die. By this logic, if someone dies, it is by God's (or whoever's) will, even if he/she dies at the hands of another person. This is one of many fallacies that makes me so skeptical about the existence of a higher power. Incidentally, I don't think it is necessarily wrong to kill a person. Sometimes, it is a matter of survival of the fittest. If someone were trying to kill me, someone I love, or the way of life that I love, I would rather stop that person than let him destroy what is important to me. And if killing him is the only way to do that, I would do it. not nessicarily. God gave us freewill, so by that means, he gave us the ability to kill. this does not mean it is by his will, it is by our will. And thus, successfully killing another person is not his will. If he wanted them to die, I believe they would die of causes beyond the hands of another human being. I agree to prisons, to keep dangerous ppl away from the public, but i do not agree to death sentence. As to survival, i would perhaps injure someone, but i would never willingly kill them. and in this day and age, how often are you really faced with "survival" anyway?
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Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:33 am
azrael the reaper Kachan36 azrael the reaper if god(or whoever) wanted them to die, they wpould die. By this logic, if someone dies, it is by God's (or whoever's) will, even if he/she dies at the hands of another person. This is one of many fallacies that makes me so skeptical about the existence of a higher power. Incidentally, I don't think it is necessarily wrong to kill a person. Sometimes, it is a matter of survival of the fittest. If someone were trying to kill me, someone I love, or the way of life that I love, I would rather stop that person than let him destroy what is important to me. And if killing him is the only way to do that, I would do it. not nessicarily. God gave us freewill, so by that means, he gave us the ability to kill. this does not mean it is by his will, it is by our will. And thus, successfully killing another person is not his will. If he wanted them to die, I believe they would die of causes beyond the hands of another human being. I agree to prisons, to keep dangerous ppl away from the public, but i do not agree to death sentence. As to survival, i would perhaps injure someone, but i would never willingly kill them. and in this day and age, how often are you really faced with "survival" anyway? But how do know that the person who dies by the hand of another person isn't killed at the will of God? How do you know He doesn't use us as a means to end another life? That's the nice thing about beliefs--you don't need answers or logic, you just have to decide how you want it be and believe that that's how it is. And, you're correct, most of us have very little cause to worry about survival in our everyday lives. I was talking about extreme cases. Sociopaths do exist, and while no one ever thinks they're going to run into one, it does happen. I'm not saying I'm about to go out and buy a gun in case I get kidnapped by a serial killer, but if by some bizarre chance it happens to me, I would not feel guilty about killing him (or her) before he killed me. Killing is of course a last resort. As I said, if it were the only way to stop him, I would do it. The same applies to going to war. It should be a last resort, but I would rather go to war and fight than allow someone to kill my way of life.
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Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:20 am
In my view, killing is justifiable only in means of survival/defense in grave situations. Because look at it: killing is wrong, but would you rather end one evil person's life, or let many more innocent ones end because the evil one didn't end?
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 6:46 am
Musik von der Mond In my view, killing is justifiable only in means of survival/defense in grave situations. Because look at it: killing is wrong, but would you rather end one evil person's life, or let many more innocent ones end because the evil one didn't end?
And I'd like to add that it is still possible for someone to kill even if he/she's been sentenced to spend the remainder of her/his natural life in prison. Prison murder does happen.
Not as often as prison rape, but it does happen.
I'd rather just execute them and be done with it.
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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2008 8:51 pm
How i think of it is this:
Army/Military...: Kill one person, hundreds, some times thousands of others are saved.
Revenge: [first, its against most major religions] And the person is usually dead by the time you want revenge on the murderer. so why have two people dead when only one needs to be dead? plus, if you let them live, the law will catch them [if not religion already] and they will be worse off then if you killed them.
But in my mind, it is never alright to murder someone. This coming from someone who knows the difference between murder and killing. there is a diffrence and it needs to be known. Murder is taking the life from someone with no good reason, for lack of better words. Killing is taking the life from some one in general.
With the badge thing, they do that because if the soldier killed 150 men [i dont know what is a resonable number, please correct me if im wrong] dont think about "150 men died today." Think about it this way "This soldier saved countless lives, now multiply that number by 150."[this from the soldiers countrys point of veiw.]
Make sense?
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Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:45 pm
im 10 and i agree if ther iz a reason in killing the best reason iz in deense of otherz and urself but only if it iz necisary...(i may seem like a person who likes death but i dont im not afraid of it)
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:37 am
Have any of you read Four Ways to Forgiveness? It's a set of four novellas by Ursula K. Leguin, and this issue is one of the central themes running through the stories. (A Fisherman of the Inland Sea is pretty good, too.)
Killing in military settings used to give soldiers honor, especially when no one could speak each others' languages and everyone called everyone else barbarians. That's where the medal thing came from. Now that we can all talk to each other, it's easier to understand each other. The enemy is no longer a "bad guy." So there's this problem now: is a soldier doing the right thing, killing others? I couldn't really say that I think killing is wrong, much as I might like to: I'd be as fast as the next guy to try to shoot the people shooting at me. But I can at least say that I wouldn't like it. I'd say the medals nowadays are more in honor of the soldier's bravery in keeping his head (as best as he could) in front of an enemy gun and maybe out of guilt: after all, the medals are given by the people who forced the soldier to make the choice, to kill or not to kill. The people giving the medal respect the soldier. The soldier survived a choice that they may not have had to face. The soldier needs a medal for that. It is small enough compensation.
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Posted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:23 pm
What the real question is, in my opinion, is whether it is morally correct to not kill someone. If a man comes into your house in the middle of the night, takes your child, rapes him/her, then brutally executes the child, does this man not deserve to die? Honestly, we can say now that "It still wouldn't be right." or "I wouldn't kill someone even then.", but until it really happens to you, until you lose someone forever, someone who means everything to you, then I seriously doubt any of us can say anything about the subject.
That's my personal opinion anyway.
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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 5:12 pm
I actually had a discussion like this in my English class. We were talking about what was Revenge vs. Justice. Really it's the same thing as what is going on here, and finally our teacher said it was motive. The example used was a good example of Revenge, while the war is Justice. Really people just ignore it once they think there is a good enough reason for what is going on.
But really it's never really good to kill someone, unless it's self-preservation that then is just instinct to protect ourselves even when we end up killing another. That should be the only excuse to really kill someone else. But other than that, I just the world is just to messed up and lost where the line between killing for the good or killing for the "bad" has been a blur.
That's my opinion.
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