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This list was done by the_terrible on LJ, who is friends only but at least I'm giving them credit. Posted in the TMNT community.

Reasons the third movie is better than the second.

1. The second movie has no real plot to speak of; merely a series of related events that either spend time explaining things or presenting fights, and hardly anything else. The third movie, at least, has an actual plot.

2. However contrived the humor in the third movie might be to some people, the ridiculousness of the second film is far worse and gets annoying very quickly. The Turtles goof around in both movies, but in the third they come across more like real teenagers while in the second film they come across as 3D toons.

3. The fight scenes in the second film are not very imaginatively choreographed and don't even allow the Turtles use of their weapons in most cases; the third film tries harder and presents fights that are more interesting to watch.

4. The second film essentially ruins the first film's ending by taking back the Shredder's death and turning him from a smart, tough crime boss into a one-track minded crime boss without much fighting ability. The third film gives us a new villain and an entirely different setting and at least makes an attempt to do something different.

5. The second movie has Vanilla Ice. The third does not. 'Nuff said.

6. I know not a lot of people agree with me on this one, but I stand by what I wrote before: the third film follows in the first film's footsteps by providing actual character development in addition to character history. The second film indulges itself in character history and what little character development IS there is forgotten rather quickly. Okay, Raph's words to Yoshi in the third film about controlling temper were a little surprising coming from him, but it shows that Raph has at least learned SOMETHING all this time... and keeping Raph doing nothing but blowing his top at everything makes him more two-dimensional than his interaction with Yoshi. Mikey is even given a chance to show an actual crush on a girl instead of just simply acting goofy like he does with April in the second film (and even in the first film to an extent). What teen can't relate to crushing on someone they can't have?

7. Yes, both movies have cheesy dialogue. But there are moments when the third film at least puts the cheesiness on hold long enough to advance the plot in a serious manner. The second film practically drowns itself here, favoring punchlines over sensible exchanges, and even trying to get away with the Shredder tolerating a prisoner talking back to him. The Shredder we saw in the first film wouldn't have put up with crap like that. Walker didn't put up with it either.

8. The third film is populated by better actors who give better performances. No, these actors are not given the same challenge that a drama's script would give, but then that wasn't the idea, was it?

9. The abundant circus music we hear in the second film is ditched by the third film in favor of a more atmospheric score. Music makes a difference, and it did here.

#1 was great! I felt #2 was in the same mold as #1 and was just as great. #3 was just wasn't in that same mold as the other two...



*strokes beard*

Yeah I actually liked his speech to Yoshi. I mean you can't knock that without knocking his speech to Casey in the cartoon.

Well you gotta think that someone with a bad temper can recognize someone with a bad temper. I don't understand when people say "you have no room to talk" when you try to advise someone with the same issue as you. As far as I'm concerned you have more room to talk than anybody!

Trust me, I'm more like Raph than any of them (Mystic's even made this comment a time or two) and I am very capable of realizing I have a bad temper. While I may not control it all that well at times I can easily try to coach someone else in doing it.

*puts hand to forehead* It's a curse! xd

Okay I love the first movie it is by far the best one...Ummm I don't see how someone can say that the 2nd movie doesn't have a plot since it basis's itself solely around the Ooze...You know the stuff that created the turtles in the first place...They are trying to keep it out of the hands of the Foot...and when they fail they redeem themselves by destroying Shredder and thus destroying the remnants of the Ooze....So where is there no plot there? and I will admit the 3rd movie was good but by far the First one is the Best

I didn't find Keno at all was supposed to replace Casey... and besides, it was the first time I had ever seen the son of the legendary Ernie Reyes, Sr.

Yeah, I head that too, Lady. The reason they didn't put Casey in it, was so they could focus more on Keno. Bah. Casey's way better than that guy. =/ Elias, I think, is the PERFECT Casy Jones and I am sad he wasn't in all three movies, and that he had no action in the third.