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 Posted: Sat Mar 29, 2008 7:38 pm
It's in my honest opinion that I think the Dragon Rune, albeit a wonderous rune, strikes me as probably the lamest one of the 27 Runes.
I only say that due to the description of its powers.
Content taken from Suikosource.com
Dragon Rune
Current Owner: Milia
Past Owners: Joshua Levenheit
The Dragon Rune allows dragons to exist in this world. Owned by Joshua Levenheit for the past two centuries, the bearer of this rune holds a huge responsibility, for the death of the bearer means all dragons in the world would also die. For this reason, the captain of the dragon knights rarely changes.
The Rune also allows its bearer to control dragons, even if they have been turned into undead dragons. The power of the rune depends on the willpower of its bearer, which means dragons may not obey this runes bearer if s/he is mentally weak.
It is not known why dragons can not survive in this world without the help of the Dragon Rune. However, it is known that dragons in great pain are able to create portals to return to their home world, the "World of Wings and Scales."
It has been confirmed that this rune has been passed onto Milia when she was promoted to Captain.
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I just think that it could have dealt with better. Don't ask me how, I just think the ruin should have more power. xp
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:48 am
The reason to me of why it is the lamest rune is really...... if the owner dies.... the dragons dies >.> and that the passing between owners are rarely ever done because of such things. Other then that I kind of like the rune a little ....
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:07 pm
Deja Vu... I think there was a discussion similar to this in another thread regarding true runes. But anyway, I'd say True Water rune is the lamest. It's just a Flowing rune with one new attack :/ Lame. All the elemental true runes are just one attack away from being the Thunder, Rage, Cyclone, and Mother Earth runes, and that's sad too, but IMO the True Water in particular is really useless. At least the dragon rune does SOMETHING other than 4 mediocre attacks.
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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 1:48 pm
If I'm not mistaken, the last attack is just a really big version of one of the water rune attacks that makes ice. It's not even that powerful. Plus it makes no sense. The last attack in a healing rune is a damage dealing one? And the weakest final attack of the 5 at that? I agree that the story governs the coolness of a rune, which is one reason the Water Rune (and other elemental runes) is so lame. They mention NOTHING about what the true elemental runes actually do in the story. We know it 'governs' water from simple deduction, but what the hell does that actually mean? If it's bearer dies water does not disappear from the world, they had plenty of opportunity to have the rune manipulate water to crush enemy forces, but they never do... So can it produce water like a faucet??? We'll never know, because it was somewhat of a filler rune to help fill the 27 slots. They never really bothered fleshing out the abilities of any of the 5 true elemental runes.
If the dragon rune were used in battle nowadays of course it would suck. Suikoden seems to now dwell in the age of extremely underwhelming rune attacks. Any true rune they try to incorporate into the battle system now will fail hard. But it does have some decent potential, if in the right hands. A level one spell, summons a dragon the burn the enemy, a level 2 spell can vanquish dragon enemies instantly (or freeze them for several turns if it's a boss), a level 3 spell can make a dragon ally gain double stats for several turns, and a level 4 spell unleashes a whole wave of dragons to do massive damage to enemies. If nothing else we know it's power can be used to support other true runes from the end of Suikoden 1, so one of it's battle abilities could be to multiply the power of a neighboring rune by several times.
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 6:55 am
Now that you mention it, The True Elemental Runes are pretty useless, too, but if you ask me they have more reason to be important than the Dragon Rune since they preside over the elemental forces.
If the Dragon Rune could be used like the way you described I think I'd like it more.
And I honestly think that the Sun and Night Rune is just . . . kind of dumb.
I hated the story behind it. The Night Rune splitting into two lesser runes which are meant to keep the Sun Rune in check.
If the bearer was strong enough they could overcome the powers of the rune.
All the heroes of the suikoverse have shown their potential!
I give praise to Lazlo! Such a brave soul that lad. 3nodding
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Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2008 9:56 pm
Well didn't Wyatt or someone said that if they didn't contained the True Water Rune (when Luc and them attacked). It'll explode(forgive me... my memory for SIII is starting to fade since i haven't replayed it for a while)
Not to forget the fire bringer pretty much obliterated one spot by losing control of his rune -.-. To bad they don't really show the full potential of the Elemental runes though because if you really do lose control of your true rune.... it be just that ....lose control and scorch/freeze/ whatever the heck out of the earth lol. and breaking a rune is even greater then losing control of 1 rune.. as far as I am concerned?
I found the true water rune reallllllllly helpful while playing through the story... especially with the constant heals lol and not having to rely on the shield rune for heals.
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Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:16 pm
On a side note I was reading the Suikoden III Manga for fun, it was interesting how they show Luc taking the air out of Wyatt. Maybe the True runes are also able to manipulate those properties to others? Making it devastating. Losing heat from your body, Not being able to breathe, Hypertension and drainage of water in your system. Earth.......hmmm manipulation of certain chemicals? As for lightning the electrical current your body gives out (you usually give out about .04 I think.... I remember seeing a electric reader being use from the science club advertising) such as the heart pumping?
That being said, 2 true elemental runes can also cancel out/ negate another true elemental rune so ^^.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:38 pm
GAT-X103 Buster Gundam On a side note I was reading the Suikoden III Manga for fun, it was interesting how they show Luc taking the air out of Wyatt. Maybe the True runes are also able to manipulate those properties to others? Making it devastating. Losing heat from your body, Not being able to breathe, Hypertension and drainage of water in your system. Earth.......hmmm manipulation of certain chemicals? As for lightning the electrical current your body gives out (you usually give out about .04 I think.... I remember seeing a electric reader being use from the science club advertising) such as the heart pumping? That being said, 2 true elemental runes can also cancel out/ negate another true elemental rune so ^^.
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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:29 pm
ArlenMagic GAT-X103 Buster Gundam On a side note I was reading the Suikoden III Manga for fun, it was interesting how they show Luc taking the air out of Wyatt. Maybe the True runes are also able to manipulate those properties to others? Making it devastating. Losing heat from your body, Not being able to breathe, Hypertension and drainage of water in your system. Earth.......hmmm manipulation of certain chemicals? As for lightning the electrical current your body gives out (you usually give out about .04 I think.... I remember seeing a electric reader being use from the science club advertising) such as the heart pumping? That being said, 2 true elemental runes can also cancel out/ negate another true elemental rune so ^^. I want to own all of them XD, I am sure most borders have them -.-. At least the one near my mall has them (and a whole other list of manga's)
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Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:19 pm
QuistisTrepe19 Having the bearer die really doesn't mean much. The Rune itself won't be destroyed if the bearer dies (Lazlo, and I think Luc supports this), it'll go off to find a new host. Or sit there. It's not really clear. I mean the RoP just sorta waits around, but when Luc died the True Wind Rune flew away somewhere. If the Rune itself is destroyed... that's a different story. I was just comparing it to the Dragon rune since supposedly the death of the owner means all dragons die. But you're right, usually the death of the owner means squat. On that note, I wonder what would happen if the Dragon rune were "sealed" like the TF rune, or the other elementals? Dragons still die you think? QuistisTrepe19 I don't think we ever see the True Runes used to crush the opposing army, Rune of Punishment and Sun Rune aside. Which makes sense, gameplay wise: "Hey, I've got a god glued to my hand! Guess this war's over!" Storyline wise, it depends. It's obvious why no one wanted to use the Rune of Punishment, and the Sun Rune is powerful but it also makes people crazy. Leknaat forbade Tir from using the Souleater because it's dangerous, and since that thing is angst in a marble I'm guessing Tir was glad to comply. Not using the Beast Rune to annihilate Jowston makes sense for Luca's character- he wanted revenge on the whole place for the rape of his mother, and using a gigantic wolf-thing wouldn't be personal or painful enough for him. Why let that have all the fun? I though Luca Blight WAS trying to use the Beast rune, and Jowy was just using his Black Blade Rune to keep it sealed? QuistisTrepe19 As for what the True Water Rune does? Well, look at the Ancient Ruins, right before Wyatt died. It turned that place into an iceland. So, I would think that it has, more or less, total control over water. It can freeze, cause tsunamis, make it rain, and so on. Pretty darn powerful. I was under the impression that was just a release of power, not necessarily what the rune does. For example, the Beast rune released that two headed wolf when fed blood, but I don't think that's it's main function. Or how the blue moon rune makes you a vampire, it's just sort of a side effect. Although they have been somewhat vague with all these things so I could be wrong. QuistisTrepe19 To be fair, the last TRs we got to use were the Rune of Punishment and Ted's Souleater. The Souleater pwns hard regardless, and the RoP... well, I liked it, but I'll give that to you. I'm thinking part of the reason we never used the Sun Rune is because it would make the game so damn broken. Although the soul eater was hands down the best rune in Suikoden 4, it was still a bit disappointing compared to it's awesome former self. I guess because it would make the 3rd attack on RoP look like a joke. (it already is as far as I'm concerned. I never killed a single thing with it :/)
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Posted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:57 am
On the positive side, at least the rune lets the bearer control dragons if they are strong enough of will. Imagine sending 10 dragons after one of your enemies? Burn sucker! That sucks if the user dies the dragons die...
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