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 Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:09 pm
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 3:03 pm
Well, they can hear enough to have favorite sounds in the second trimester, so it's no surprise that they can feel early on.
I think you mean different months though....
I've seen credible places dating it back to 12 weeks, credible meaning not a prolife or prochoice agenda-driven source. I don't think others are necessarily false, just, can't use that source without getting shouted down with "Biased! Biased! Results were fabricated!" and all that.
It comes down to the deciding factor for many people. It sets it apart from a clump of cells and a feeling human child, whether or not it can feel pain. If it can feel pain, well, it's not just a random clump of cells, is it?
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:30 pm
lymelady I think you mean different months though....
I've seen credible places dating it back to 12 weeks, credible meaning not a prolife or prochoice agenda-driven source. I don't think others are necessarily false, just, can't use that source without getting shouted down with "Biased! Biased! Results were fabricated!" and all that. Really, it seems like whatever source is used to promote the pro-life cause, we'll have people on the other side claiming bias. Not much we can do about that. sweatdrop lymelady It comes down to the deciding factor for many people. It sets it apart from a clump of cells and a feeling human child, whether or not it can feel pain. If it can feel pain, well, it's not just a random clump of cells, is it? Exactly. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:32 pm
prideofthepeaches lymelady I think you mean different months though....
I''ve seen credible places dating it back to 12 weeks, credible meaning not a prolife or prochoice agenda-driven source. I don''t think others are necessarily false, just, can''t use that source without getting shouted down with "Biased! Biased! Results were fabricated!" and all that. Really, it seems like whatever source is used to promote the pro-life cause, we''ll have people on the other side claiming bias. Not much we can do about that. sweatdrop lymelady It comes down to the deciding factor for many people. It sets it apart from a clump of cells and a feeling human child, whether or not it can feel pain. If it can feel pain, well, it''s not just a random clump of cells, is it? Exactly. 3nodding
Not if you use the Allen Gute....too tired to look it up.
And not if you use college texts written by liberals. Or documentaries from national geographic, like in the womb. Or Psychology today. You know, scientific articles that they use all the time . xd
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 4:14 am
lymelady prideofthepeaches lymelady I think you mean different months though....
I''ve seen credible places dating it back to 12 weeks, credible meaning not a prolife or prochoice agenda-driven source. I don''t think others are necessarily false, just, can''t use that source without getting shouted down with "Biased! Biased! Results were fabricated!" and all that. Really, it seems like whatever source is used to promote the pro-life cause, we''ll have people on the other side claiming bias. Not much we can do about that. sweatdrop lymelady It comes down to the deciding factor for many people. It sets it apart from a clump of cells and a feeling human child, whether or not it can feel pain. If it can feel pain, well, it''s not just a random clump of cells, is it? Exactly. 3nodding
Not if you use the Allen Gute....too tired to look it up.
And not if you use college texts written by liberals. Or documentaries from national geographic, like in the womb. Or Psychology today. You know, scientific articles that they use all the time . xd Is it me or do all college documents get written by liberals?
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Posted: Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:14 pm
Good thing the majority support the development of an embryo being able to feel well before the third trimester, then.
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Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2005 11:22 am
lymelady Good thing the majority support the development of an embryo being able to feel well before the third trimester, then. Yup.
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