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PostPosted: Fri Mar 21, 2008 6:33 pm


I was wondering I believe that it is rather clear that sorcery is wrong,
but King Solomon to my knowledge is viewed rather well and I do not know of anyone complaining about the golem of prague as evil, so this causes me some confusion, could someone explain?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:03 am



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 10:13 am


Thank you, that was actually very interesting, but does it mean people would only be against magics when the do not work and claim it is under there own power? Because in no human can make any magics by there own power, does that mean any magic that works is a miracle?
PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 11:01 am


You're going to need to rephrase that question.

What I think you're asking is.

"Is there a difference between miracles & magic?"

Well in Judaism, we believe that HASHEM has the power, we do not. Some people who study Kabbalah believe that the reason we do the rituals, prayers, and follow all the fascinating rules and regulations which we share, and the quaint and curious costumes that we're called upon to wear. Each obligated prayer, ritual and mitzvahs raises our "Spiritual Value."

The higher your spiritual value, the more in-tune you are with HASHEM and the more likely a miracle will be granted for your devotion and spiritual affinity.

This is why some Jews follow the Talmudic law with an a**l retention not seen outside of a United States Marine Corps honor guard.

Does that answer your question?

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 6:19 pm


LordNeuf
Some people who study Kabbalah believe that the reason we do the rituals, prayers, and follow all the fascinating rules and regulations which we share, and the quaint and curious costumes that we're called upon to wear. Each obligated prayer, ritual and mitzvahs raises our "Spiritual Value."


Ten points for the Lehrer shout-out.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:00 am


LordNeuf
You're going to need to rephrase that question.

What I think you're asking is.

"Is there a difference between miracles & magic?"

Well in Judaism, we believe that HASHEM has the power, we do not. Some people who study Kabbalah believe that the reason we do the rituals, prayers, and follow all the fascinating rules and regulations which we share, and the quaint and curious costumes that we're called upon to wear. Each obligated prayer, ritual and mitzvahs raises our "Spiritual Value."

The higher your spiritual value, the more in-tune you are with HASHEM and the more likely a miracle will be granted for your devotion and spiritual affinity.

This is why some Jews follow the Talmudic law with an a**l retention not seen outside of a United States Marine Corps honor guard.

Does that answer your question?


Well I will address the question bluntly,
You see my Grandmother and her entire family really, have strong southern christen beliefs and I would her there stories of witches and curses, reciting prayers to stop blood and heal etc...
So since I was about 8-9 I always studied those old magics and there are some rather neat things that can be done, what gives them there virtue I can only question? But I can fully say there are such magics in the world, although I have never tried any large scale thing like summoning up demons or such, but smaller operations mentioned and they do work and I have no reason to doubt that the other work true too.
But although it may be constrewed as being cowardly or childish,
I grew concerned that what I might be doing is evil or wrong,
and it prompted me to give it up and seek out religion,
but I can not lie and say it still does not interest me, for it was probably my greatest talent sadly, and hear these stories thou out every religion condeming magic and mentioning miracles, with which seem to be one in the same and if it the power is only granted by HASHEM, then how is such possible?
Or is it part of his plan to allow us to folly...frewill and all so that we will learn are errors? After all it is what prompted me to religion?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 9:44 am


Dinu amaru Anzullu Ziaru
...hear these stories thou out every religion condeming magic and mentioning miracles, with which seem to be one in the same and if it the power is only granted by HASHEM, then how is such possible?


I believe it all boils down to the first Commandment
"I am the LORD HASHEM who brought you out of the land of Egypt, from the house of slavery. You shall have no other gods before Me..."

Basically, lets say you're living in ancient Greece, and you're a farmer, and your crops need rain. Traditions dictate you would go to the temple of Poseidon and give money to the temple for advice, then High Priests would then instruct you on a ritual to appease Poseidon so that he may create a storm to end the drought upon your land.

Now, in Ancient Greece, Poseidon ruled the weather. Anyone who needed anything in regards to rain, had to talk to Poseidon. If you chose to go another route, Poseidon would be angry with you and so would your neighbors, as elder ancient Greek deities had a mean streak about them and would punish entire communities for the acts of one.

Now then... Most of the rules of Judaism in regards to everything from what we're supposed to eat, to how we're supposed to wear our hair. Many of the prohibitions were introduced simply because other more prominent communities made them common practice. So the reason we Jews talk to HASHEM instead of Poseidon or Neptune or Thor or whatever pagan god we happen to have knowledge of, is because we're not supposed to act like the others, we're supposed to act like Jews.

So the reasons that "other magics" are prohibited in most monotheistic religions such as our own, is simply because, we're to maintain our self identity and be true to our ancestors.

Christianity takes a different approach, adapting old pagan mythos and customs and turning them into Christian culture and customs. See "Xmas Tree" and "Easter Bunny."

However, in the above customs, if Jesus isn't a part of it, then it's all just a bunch of Devil Worshiping Pagan Voodoo.

Do you see what I'm trying to get at?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:59 am


I believe so, if I am correct what your saying is for example if one was to pray to HASHEM for rain and it was granted, it would be okay?
But if If one involves pray, talking or affilating oneself with any other diety in anyway it is wrong?
In a nutshell.

Dinu amaru Anzullu Ziaru


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 3:08 pm


Dinu amaru Anzullu Ziaru
I believe so, if I am correct what your saying is for example if one was to pray to HASHEM for rain and it was granted, it would be okay?
But if If one involves pray, talking or affilating oneself with any other diety in anyway it is wrong?
In a nutshell.


Yep, it violates the first commandment.

A deity by any other name, is not HASHEM, as there are no other gods but HASHEM.
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:08 pm


Thank you, you put to rest a rather annoying and nagging question.

However can I ask a off topic question/s?

How come HASHEM, is written in all capitals?

Also both in Islam and Catholicism, god has multiple names,
and I heard in Judaism does as well, can anyone explain?
Do the Jewish people ever refer to HASHEM as god?

Dinu amaru Anzullu Ziaru


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:42 pm


I do it as a custom of how I was taught to separate the divine from the mundane.

As my teaching go, you need to be aware of what is mundane and what is divine. So as the practice goes you don't type out HASHEM normally. Nor do you use the words with higher spiritual value in normal speak. Such as @D0N@I. Those we intentionally mark up, as in "G-D" to keep the divine words from becoming mundane.

See what I'm getting at?
PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 7:09 pm


Yes, I understan thank you.

I figured it was some form of respect, but just wanted to be certain.

Dinu amaru Anzullu Ziaru

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