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 Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:54 am
spontaneously, gradually, or pulled out of the butt of a giant pink unicorn, it doesn't really matter.
it's one of the least essential discussions in Christianity and i think it's ridiculous.
BOTH sides are annoying.
"evolution is right because science has proved it beyond any doubt"
"six-day creationism/young Earth is right because the creation story is to be taken literally!"
either way, i very much doubt Moses or any other human being could completely understand how the universe came into being, so God told him what we read in Genesis.
i'm just tired of the bickering going on that i've heard in the church and in the interwebz. it's not an issue that's essential to salvation in any way. in my view, either way gives glory to God, so i don't care how He did it. evolution shows His care and meticulous ordering of the universe through a gradual process, and six-day creationism shows His power.
but like i said, i don't care either way.
/rant
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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2008 12:33 pm
i like burnination spontaneously, gradually, or pulled out of the butt of a giant pink unicorn, it doesn't really matter. it's one of the least essential discussions in Christianity and i think it's ridiculous. BOTH sides are annoying. "evolution is right because science has proved it beyond any doubt" "six-day creationism/young Earth is right because the creation story is to be taken literally!" either way, i very much doubt Moses or any other human being could completely understand how the universe came into being, so God told him what we read in Genesis. i'm just tired of the bickering going on that i've heard in the church and in the interwebz. it's not an issue that's essential to salvation in any way. in my view, either way gives glory to God, so i don't care how He did it. evolution shows His care and meticulous ordering of the universe through a gradual process, and six-day creationism shows His power. but like i said, i don't care either way. /rant /win
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Posted: Tue Mar 25, 2008 1:08 am
Superior Jazz i like burnination spontaneously, gradually, or pulled out of the butt of a giant pink unicorn, it doesn't really matter. it's one of the least essential discussions in Christianity and i think it's ridiculous. BOTH sides are annoying. "evolution is right because science has proved it beyond any doubt" "six-day creationism/young Earth is right because the creation story is to be taken literally!" either way, i very much doubt Moses or any other human being could completely understand how the universe came into being, so God told him what we read in Genesis. i'm just tired of the bickering going on that i've heard in the church and in the interwebz. it's not an issue that's essential to salvation in any way. in my view, either way gives glory to God, so i don't care how He did it. evolution shows His care and meticulous ordering of the universe through a gradual process, and six-day creationism shows His power. but like i said, i don't care either way. /rant /win /bow
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Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2008 1:34 pm
Well... evolution teaches that humans came from death and suffering. The Bible teaches that death and suffering came from humans, when Adam ate the apple.
So, if we go with evolution, either the fall didn't really do anything because the world wasn't created perfect and God lied, casting doubt onto whether He told the truth about Jesus bringing us salvation, or God didn't create things.
He created it from nothing, in six literal days.
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Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 5:55 pm
Voldemort point two Well... evolution teaches that humans came from death and suffering. ??? Voldemort point two So, if we go with evolution, either the fall didn't really do anything because the world wasn't created perfect and God lied, casting doubt onto whether He told the truth about Jesus bringing us salvation, or God didn't create things. or perhaps Adam and Eve are two metaphorical characters meant to represent all of the human race at that point in history? Voldemort point two He created it from nothing, in six literal days. which is funny, considering that the sun and the moon didn't exist until the 3rd day, making a 24 hour period impossible. i'm not saying you shouldn't believe in what you do. it's just that you should have a better defense for what you believe.
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Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2008 6:04 am
Okay then, it got very very cramped. Plus, how would evolution be possible without death? Death came from humans. If humans came from evolution, which would need death (the weaker animals would just mate and mate and mate for all eternity, with the evolution getting nowhere) then how come humans were perfect before the fall? i like burnination or perhaps Adam and Eve are two metaphorical characters meant to represent all of the human race at that point in history? Okay, maybe. But: Quote: 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent. 13For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14And Adam was not the one deceived; it was the woman who was deceived and became a sinner. Pretty odd teaching to have just based off an old myth, isn't it? Especially as Quote: All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, i like burnination which is funny, considering that the sun and the moon didn't exist until the 3rd day, making a 24 hour period impossible. I'm sorry? I didn't realise that time was dependant on the sun and moon. Time still would have moved forward, God doesn't need the sun and moon to move time. Oh, and it was the 4th day He made the sun and moon. And I do have a better defense, I just didn't have time to write it out when I wrote that. You have the right to what you belive too, I was just defending what I belive.
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Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:14 am
Quote: Pretty odd teaching to have just based off an old myth, isn't it? the language could, again, be metaphorical. regardless Paul, nor would anyone for 1900 years, didn't know about evolution. he only had what was given him. i wouldn't say that the teaching is wrong, though i would argue that what he's saying could be more of a cultural thing rather than an across the board "women shut up and listen to your husbands". Quote: Okay then, it got very very cramped. Plus, how would evolution be possible without death? Death came from humans. If humans came from evolution, which would need death (the weaker animals would just mate and mate and mate for all eternity, with the evolution getting nowhere) then how come humans were perfect before the fall? metaphorical language my friend. i hope you don't believe that the Leviathan or the Behemoth were dinosaurs. Quote: I'm sorry? I didn't realise that time was dependant on the sun and moon. Time still would have moved forward, God doesn't need the sun and moon to move time. why would God be creating in sequential 24-hour periods? this is pre-humans and pre-Earth.
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:12 am
...so all the other scientific things in the Bible (such as where it is mentioned that the earth is round and that it doesn't rest on anything) were just metaphorical, and we're really all standing on the back of a turtle?
And, if the Fall was metaphorical, then we can't be perfect in heaven. So, it's a metaphor and Christianity is just a nice story. Oh, okay. [/sarcasm]
I don't know. A theory I heard was that He took pride in it, like an artist / writer would. I know when I'm writing something that I consider good, I take extra care in it. That could be why, but I don't know because I'm not God.
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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2008 11:27 pm
Voldemort point two ...so all the other scientific things in the Bible (such as where it is mentioned that the earth is round and that it doesn't rest on anything) were just metaphorical, and we're really all standing on the back of a turtle? Voldemort point And, if the Fall was metaphorical, then we can't be perfect in heaven. So, it's a metaphor and Christianity is just a nice story. Oh, okay. [/sarcasm] Voldemort point two That could be why, but I don't know because I'm not God. huh.
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Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2008 8:34 am
Voldemort point two i like burnination which is funny, considering that the sun and the moon didn't exist until the 3rd day, making a 24 hour period impossible. I'm sorry? I didn't realise that time was dependant on the sun and moon. Time still would have moved forward, God doesn't need the sun and moon to move time. And now you're getting it! God is not so limited by time as us Humans. Was that first day 24 hours? 23 hours? how about 30 hours? 24 Billion years? Who's to decide? I don't know exactly how God formed Man, I wasn't there. But let me give you an Engineers perspective on this. When I design something, I submit it, see if it works, and if not, 'back to the drawing board', as they say. Any item I design is usually submitted and revised 5-10 times, sometimes up to 30 before it is accepted and pushed through to manufacturing. Later on down the road, when we need an updated form of that, we don't just create a new item from scratch, we take an older, similar design, and modify it to fit our needs. The newer is, essentially, an Evolution of the old. That's what we're seeing in Nature, a guided evolution from the oldest Amoeba(the first design), to Homo sapiens sapiens
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Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:06 am
But as I've said before, Adam and Eve fell, for that death would have to have happened if we accept evolution. If they're a metaphor, how do we know Jesus' death wasn't a metaphor? How do we know everything in the Bible isn't just a metaphor?
And God is infallible, He doesn't fail, so how could He need to design everything in stages? He just made it, He didn't spend millions of years redesigning it.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 2:10 am
Voldemort point two But as I've said before, Adam and Eve fell, for that death would have to have happened if we accept evolution. If they're a metaphor, how do we know Jesus' death wasn't a metaphor? How do we know everything in the Bible isn't just a metaphor? now you're being silly. Voldemort point two And God is infallible, He doesn't fail, so how could He need to design everything in stages? He just made it, He didn't spend millions of years redesigning it. he was grieved with humans and wiped all of them out save a single family. does this mean God isn't infallible?
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 6:20 am
Um, no. I'm just using your logic. smile I like burnation he was grieved with humans and wiped all of them out save a single family. does this mean God isn't infallible? Yes. The people weren't God.
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 8:38 am
Voldemort point two And God is infallible, He doesn't fail, so how could He need to design everything in stages? He just made it, He didn't spend millions of years redesigning it. no dude...you create a Revision when the previous drawing was bad. But you use the old working drawing as a basis for the next when it's good. And since when does infallible mean the Flash? God didn't grab a clump of dirt, throw it against a wall, and call it good. He took his time for the several billions of different species and subsets that make just this planet up, much less the entire universe. Voldemort point two Yes. The people weren't God. and as such were fallible, thus having room for improvement, thus making Evolution possible(That would be a point where an Engineer would make a revision in the design).
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Posted: Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:43 pm
Voldemort point two Um, no. I'm just using your logic. not really. [quote"Voldemort point two"]Yes. The people weren't God. i'm guessing you mean no, unless you like contradicting yourself and believe God is fallible. either way you're missing my point because i don't see how your second sentence is related to what you quoted. if you deny that evolution occurred because you said God is infallible, and therefore makes things perfect, why then did God start over with Noah and his family?
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