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Asherah Delphinia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:41 pm


This is a really useful website...there are a couple of articles which can give you a few red flags for cults. How Cults Work
The following information is taken from the howcultswork.


How Cults work KEY POINTS


What is a cult?

The modern definition of a mind control cult is any group which employs mind control and deceptive recruiting techniques. In other words cults trick people into joining and coerce them into staying. This is the definition that most people would agree with. Except the cults themselves of course! 


No Legitimate group needs to lie or mislead you about what they practice or believe.

Any group which says you must belong to their organization to be saved is most certainly a cult.

Character assassination is a sure sign of a cult.

Cult members are usually very fearful of disobeying or disagreeing in any way with their leadership. Healthy organizations however are not threatened by openly debating issues.

Beware of "instant friends," remember true friendships develop over time.

If you are instructed by a group not to read information critical of the group, then it is a cult.

Legitimate groups have nothing to fear from their members reading information about them.

Is information you expected to be confidential reported to leadership? If so, then it's a cult.

Never-ending compulsory meetings and tasks is a sign of a cult.

Research the group independently of the group.

Beware of a group that tells you who you can and cannot see.

Be especially eager to surf the net if your leaders have told you not to.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:43 pm


Another really useful webpage is this one.
I emphasized certain parts of this article but otherwise it's exactly as the original.


Mind Control Tool Box

Copyright © Cultwatch 1996 - 2001. Written by Mark Vrankovich
Important Note

Remember, all together these form Mind Control. Separately they are undesirable but they are not Mind Control.


Deception

A cult will use deception. The cult will not normally tell people exactly what they believe, their origins, what they practice, and what life is really like in the cult, because if people knew they would not join. This information is taught to the new recruit slowly and in pieces - a "frog in the pot" tactic.

Deception is a key pre-requisite to Mind Control. The cult must be willing to deceive people. The Bible teaches that Christians are not to use deception. Many cults know this and yet practice deception.

Deception is a very effective tool in the Mind Control Tool Box.


Exclusivism

A mind control cult will promote an "Us verses Them" environment. They will teach their members that their church is the only true church, the only church in which you can be saved. If you leave the cult then it is said you have "fallen away from God." This is done to instill fear in the members which can be expressed like this: If you ever think of leaving this body of true Christians or do something which forces us to expel you from this body then you will be losing your salvation and God will hate you. There is nowhere else you can go and still be a Christian. This is a powerful control mechanism.

Exclusivism is fear based control mechanism, the Bible tells us that we have no reason to fear except for a healthy fear of God. Exclusivism imposes false criteria on salvation - "If you do not join us and/or if you are not doing what we are doing you are not saved." This of course is a serious doctrinal error ingrained in the practice of the group. Remember, just because a group does not teach it officially does not mean they do not practice it.


Fear and Intimidation

Leadership is feared. To disagree with leadership is to disagree with God. If the leaders tell you to do something, you had better do it. Often intense breaking sessions are employed to destroy any supposed rebellion or threat to the leadership. These sessions can involve many people at once attacking the character and motives of the target.

The Bible tells Christians not to "lord it over people," but rather to be one another's servants. Jesus attacked the Pharisees who placed themselves between God and the people. It does not take much to realise that fear and intimidation is not the biblical model for Christian leadership. (Fear and Intimidation is very different from having respect for Christian leaders.)


Love Bombing

A mind control cult practices love bombing or false love. When you first join the cult you will gain instant friends, you'll be hugged and everyone will want to talk to you. For someone who is lonely or comes from out of town this is especially wonderful. However, after a while this "love" becomes conditional on your performance and/or you measuring up to the cult's unpublished standards. If you ever leave the cult then you know you will lose all of your new friends just as quickly as you gained them. Like an unhealthy marriage relationship, love is switched on and off to control. Of all of them, this is probably the most effective implement in the mind control tool box.

We are relational beings with the ultimate aim of regaining a relationship with the God who created us. It only requires common sense to see the power this "love bombing" tool could have on someone. We have all seen it at work in the cults, at work in manipulative relationships and at work as peer pressure in schools and society in general. This false love is a distortion of true love which is defined in 1 Corinthians 13.


Information Control

Those who control the information control the person. In a mind control cult any information from outside the cult is considered evil, especially if it is opposing the cult. Members are told not to read it or believe it. Only the cult-supplied information is true.

This technique is really a partner to deception. Common sense tells us that a person who does not consider all information may make an unbalanced decision. Filtering the information available or trying to discredit it not of the basis of how true it is, but rather on the basis of how it supports the party line, is a common control method used throughout history. A Christian should have nothing to fear from any source of information - after all "Falsehood runs from truth, but truth stands solid against falsehood."


Reporting Structure

In a mind control cult like in Nazi Germany or Communist Russia you must be careful of what you say or do; "The walls have ears." Everyone is encouraged to watch out for "struggling" brothers and report what they see to the leadership. Often information given in deepest confidence will find its way to leadership. Cult members are sometimes shocked to find their problems preached about in the cult meetings. People comment that while in a Mind Control cult they were acting, always being worried about people watching.

This is opposite to the biblical model. The Reporting Structure is an important fear producing method in the Mind Control Tool Box.


Loaded Language

The cult will have their own language and terms. These prevent people outside the group being able to engage in "dangerous" conversations with members and it gives the members a sense of belonging. It also allows a phenomenon known as thought stopping where a simple word can stop any thoughts in the member's mind which are against the cult.

Harmless by itself, "loaded language" is used in all areas of life from the computer industry to orthodox Christianity. Every group or specialist field develops its own words or meanings for words, and this is often called "jargon." However, when mixed in with the other Mind Control tools, "loaded language" can take on a threatening attribute which is unbiblical. For example, in the International Church of Christ cult "loaded language" is used throughout the world - a typical conversation might go like this...

"The Bible says that we are saved by grace, not by works. You are telling me that I must get people baptised or I'm not a real Christian," says the Disciple.

"I am more spiritually mature than you and you are questioning what I am saying. You are PRIDEFUL and REBELLIOUS, you need to get RADICAL about your SIN," replied his Discipler.

Prideful & rebellious = You are the problem, not the ICC teaching.
Radical = Plunge into obeying the ICC teaching.
Sin = Thinking or acting outside the ICC rules, often including disobeying your discipler.


Time Control

Mind control cults keep their members so busy with meetings and activities that they become too busy and too tired to think about their involvement.

Again, common sense allows us to see that this would be an effective tool for controlling people. The flip side to this is that if a person can get out of the cult's "time control" schedule then after a few weeks, in our experience, they can begin to contrast "normal" life with the controlled cult environment and often this results in them leaving. The ICC, in New Zealand at least, has preached that it is best to not have a holiday at Christmas because that is when most people fall away from God (leave the ICC).


Relationship Control

A mind control cult will seek to maneuver your life so as to maximise your contact with cult members and minimise your contact with people outside the group, especially those who oppose your involvement. Cult members will be moved into cult communities or cult flats where they can be watched more closely and immersed in the cult environment. The cult must cut off any contact through which information or reminders of your past life will come. You cannot marry or date anyone outside of the cult and often your spouse will be chosen.

Controlling relationships is a powerful Mind Control method. Friends and family are important influences on our lives. By controlling those who we associate with and those who we respect, a Mind Control cult can influence a person towards becoming like those people who are "good" to be around. The Bible tells us that those we associate with do effect us. Every parent knows that the peers their child associates with affects the child, moving them towards what the peers have as a norm. All people are affected by society and the groups to which they belong. By defining who is "good" and who is "bad" the Mind Control cult is attempting to move the subject towards the "group norm" that their group has. Often intense pressure is put on people to stay away from the "bad" people which are often friends, parents and their old church.


Personal Identity Replacement

Three stages are involved; breaking, indoctrination and finally refreezing.

Fear and intimidation are used to break a person. Often the cult calls into question a person's salvation, and in some cults a person is not truly broken until they are crying uncontrollably.

Next the cult indoctrinates the person by pumping them full of cult doctrine and systematically destroying anything which does not agree with the party line. If a person objects to anything, their sincerity, character and motives are questioned.

Finally the person is frozen into the cult member mold. They become like all the other cult members to a certain degree.
Friends and family will complain that the cult member has become a different person. Often in the early stages the cult member will float between their true identity and their cult identity, but as their cult involvement continues their true identity becomes more and more repressed.

This is a well established method of changing how people act and think, to mold them into a team member like everyone else. The Armed Forces use this method in basic training and throughout the career of their soldier. The difference is, that unlike in a Mind Control cult, the Armed Forces recruits know what is going on; it is expected. The Mind Control cult recruit goes through this process covertly. The cult recruit does not lose his true personality but rather represses it. They realise that by conforming there is more acceptance and less pressure to change. This is why people in a Mind Control cult will often seem to think, act and sound the same, whereas in a normal church group individual personalities are more evident.


Summary

Mind Control is not what many secular authors have tried to portray it as - a magic method of controlling its targets against their will making them only victims. Neither is it what those in opposition to the secular Mind Control model have defined it as, in their reaction they let the pendulum swing to the other side saying that Mind Control does not exist and is a fable invented by anti-Christian secularists.

Cultwatch says that Mind Control is a suite of practices Mind Control groups use to influence their members and potential recruits, a real attempt to control their minds. There is an enormous amount of evidence that certain groups are employing the Mind Control methods.

Mind Control will fail or succeed to a certain degree depending on the many factors of its target. The target of Mind Control is always able to choose to stop allowing it to influence them.

Mind Control is a morally wrong, unbiblical and unethical practice for any group. All Christians and non-Christians should strongly oppose its use. Counter-cult groups should oppose its use, labeling correctly any group which has been proven to use it as a Mind Control cult.

Asherah Delphinia


Asherah Delphinia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 6:56 pm


Recently I have gotten out of a cultic relationship/group which was extremely abusive and dangerous.

The stuff in bold, and especially in red, is the stuff that I'd experienced in my time with that group.

In my time there, there was a lot of emotional abuse, blackmail, threats, ect.

When I left I received a number of death threats from different sources and in different ways. At first it was pretty scary, but I did some researching on the people involved and found out that they were nothing to be afraid of.

I don't really care if what (very little, thankfully) dirt on me or bad things about me are spread just because I open my mouth the slightest bit. The irony is, I've said nothing here and yet I can almost guarantee that it will be taken as a serious threat or direct assault on the group I used to be involved with.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:16 pm


I apologize in advance if this is in any way off topic from what you sought to establish, but I wanted to point out how this emphasizes my point that most religions are cults.

Big ones that are way too organized.

Scratillion2


Asherah Delphinia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:29 pm


I understand the sentiment. I agree, but only to a small extent...it's too much of an overgeneralization of something (religion) that's incredibly complicated to begin with.


But the main difference between a cult and a normal religion is some of the extreme abuse and mind control. Trust me, a normal church is a pretty far cry from a real cult. The average member is not threatened with death if they choose to leave, for example. gonk
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:39 pm


Asherah Delphinia
I understand the sentiment. I agree, but only to a small extent...it's too much of an overgeneralization of something (religion) that's incredibly complicated to begin with.


But the main difference between a cult and a normal religion is some of the extreme abuse and mind control. Trust me, a normal church is a pretty far cry from a real cult. The average member is not threatened with death if they choose to leave, for example. gonk


That's one thing they have going for them I suppose. I've known some pretty fanatical people though. I had a friend that left Christianity and got threats from his church for turning his back on them. They demanded he return, less his family be damned forever and the devil would rape him, or some s**t like that. Belief is a strong thing, granted. Just turned out to be shittier when people tried organize and expand it.

Scratillion2


Asherah Delphinia

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 10:50 pm


Hmm, sounds like your friend's church was a cult...

You know, that Fundamentalist Christian view is pretty bad about spiritual abuse. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are also widely regarded as Christian cults. but on the whole, mainstream Christian churches don't threaten you and act like psychos when you leave. Sadly, a lot of people are actively working to swing it in the other direction though, which is why personally I shy away from any type of church.
PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:05 pm


I can't understand Jehovah's Witnesses' anymore... They don't celebrate anything and they go around pushing their religion on people like no tomorrow. Last ones that came around to my house I told off. Sunday is His day of rest, right? Who in the hell comes around on Sunday's pushing poorly thought up religious views on people? I'm one to know rude, I'm a rude b*****d, but that is downright sadistic.

Scratillion2


[BlkCat]

PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 11:14 pm


Asherah Delphinia

Character assassination is a sure sign of a cult.

Cult members are usually very fearful of disobeying or disagreeing in any way with their leadership. Healthy organizations however are not threatened by openly debating issues.

Beware of "instant friends," remember true friendships develop over time.

If you are instructed by a group not to read information critical of the group, then it is a cult.

Legitimate groups have nothing to fear from their members reading information about them.

Is information you expected to be confidential reported to leadership? If so, then it's a cult.

Never-ending compulsory meetings and tasks is a sign of a cult.

Research the group independently of the group.

Beware of a group that tells you who you can and cannot see.

Be especially eager to surf the net if your leaders have told you not to.



That flawlessly describes the Jehovah's Witness religion o.o;...LOL


EDIT:

Asherah Delphinia
Hmm, sounds like your friend's church was a cult...

You know, that Fundamentalist Christian view is pretty bad about spiritual abuse. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are also widely regarded as Christian cults. but on the whole, mainstream Christian churches don't threaten you and act like psychos when you leave. Sadly, a lot of people are actively working to swing it in the other direction though, which is why personally I shy away from any type of church.


I didn't read the replies before I posted XD....guess JW's were already mentioned =P.

I was raised as one.


Scratillion2
I can't understand Jehovah's Witnesses' anymore... They don't celebrate anything...


Actually thats just shows they're doing what all christians should do. They don't celebrate anything because it ALL has pagan backgrounds.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:38 am


Yeah, the JW's are typically not even considered Christian by the rest of mainstream Christianity. xp

Blk, I'm glad you survived that upbringing. It's an amazing thing to be able to question the things you were indoctrinated with your entire life.

But yeah, I vehemently dislike any religion that comes to my door to harass me into joining. That's just all kinds of wrong....in fact you can be sure that pretty much anyone harassing people with little pamphlets with weird religious stuff on it is some kinda cult. One of their buildings is on my block so they come here ALL the time. Ugh. I didn't wanna convert LAST week, I don't THIS week either kthxbye!

Asherah Delphinia


Scratillion2

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:56 am


[BlkCat]
Actually thats just shows they're doing what all christians should do. They don't celebrate anything because it ALL has pagan backgrounds.


Then that proves that Christianity and all 'offshoots' shouldn't exist. Christianity is the b*****d son of Paganism. They condensed all of their God's into one, travel size companion whom is an oppressively scary father figure and imitates Santa Claus, minus the cheery disposition and day in which he gives presents.

Santa Claus for the new God.

Better yet, Me, for the new God. I've already taken it a step ahead and proved to you all I exist. Amen Me!
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:43 am


[BlkCat]
Asherah Delphinia

Character assassination is a sure sign of a cult.

Cult members are usually very fearful of disobeying or disagreeing in any way with their leadership. Healthy organizations however are not threatened by openly debating issues.

Beware of "instant friends," remember true friendships develop over time.

If you are instructed by a group not to read information critical of the group, then it is a cult.

Legitimate groups have nothing to fear from their members reading information about them.

Is information you expected to be confidential reported to leadership? If so, then it's a cult.

Never-ending compulsory meetings and tasks is a sign of a cult.

Research the group independently of the group.

Beware of a group that tells you who you can and cannot see.

Be especially eager to surf the net if your leaders have told you not to.



That flawlessly describes the Jehovah's Witness religion o.o;...LOL


D: That was my first thought.

So, are you getting this from experiance? : / Ashera?

Just wondering what brought up the sudden topic, unless it was just a nice little 'The more you know' thread...

n.n

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[BlkCat]

PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:18 am


Asherah Delphinia
Yeah, the JW's are typically not even considered Christian by the rest of mainstream Christianity. xp

Blk, I'm glad you survived that upbringing. It's an amazing thing to be able to question the things you were indoctrinated with your entire life.

But yeah, I vehemently dislike any religion that comes to my door to harass me into joining. That's just all kinds of wrong....in fact you can be sure that pretty much anyone harassing people with little pamphlets with weird religious stuff on it is some kinda cult. One of their buildings is on my block so they come here ALL the time. Ugh. I didn't wanna convert LAST week, I don't THIS week either kthxbye!


Well they taught me the bible =P, which is why I can counter most Christian claims (including JW's) with their own book. Lol. So it's only natural that an open minded person would learn something so well as to realize that the teacher didn't know what the hell they were saying.

Well they DO harass, and they DO choose TERRIBLE times to come to your door. BUT, the bible tells them to do it. "Go therefore and make disciples of men". However I must admit, they need to understand..NO MEANS NO. XD
PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 3:44 pm


Zurine
D: That was my first thought.

So, are you getting this from experiance? : / Ashera?

Just wondering what brought up the sudden topic, unless it was just a nice little 'The more you know' thread...

n.n


Personal experience? I should say so yup...I mentioned it in the third post. I just happened to find this article, and I was like "Wow that's exactly what happened to me."

I knew something was wrong but I didn't have a good way of articulating exactly what it was. In any case, there are a lot of new age cults, and they come in many different forms. So I thought I'd pass it along.
3nodding

Asherah Delphinia


Starlock

PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:36 pm


I vote for this to be stickied.

I'm familiar with similar breakdowns myself, but so many people aren't aware of what a 'cult' really is in this more sociological context. It isn't just a 'small religious group' and in fact it doesn't have to be 'religious' in the conventional sense. I've had experience with pseudo-cultic groups myself and they're awful common in certain subcultures... including the one which this guild represents.

This should probably be sticked up in just about every other occult and Pagan Guild on Gaia Online too.
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