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 Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 2:24 pm
How about we debate about atheism/god/religion/etc? Starting with Quote: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? - Epicurius That would mean worshipping god is immoral, if he existed. There is a small flaw in the quote, but I'll debate later, or bring it up if it isn't debated. ^.^ It doesn't go against a god from the deist perspective though (deism believes in a creator that doesn't interact with the world anymore).
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Posted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:57 am
It's conundrums like that which made me reach the conclusion that the god of classical theism is logically impossible.
I don't discount the existence of a higher being (or number of beings) entirely, but if one exists they're imperfect, and they're not interested in us. We're mortal beings in an infinite universe. To any cosmic supreme being, we might as well be less than nothing, an infinitesimally small speck of dust that exists for less than the blink of an eye.
I'm certainly not inclined to worship any god, and to be honest I kind of hope that there isn't a supreme being that judges us, because the idea of there being some implacable, arbitrary, unchallengeable authority out there is quite unnerving. Who watches the watchmen, etcetera.
Still, it's pretty much impossible to prove either way, because the very nature of religion means it cannot be tested via conventional human means, and it is entirely dependent on faith. And if you want to believe, that's your lookout; I don't mind religious people as long as they don't expect me to convert, or use their belief as an excuse for prejudice.
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:49 pm
Oooh when I first saw this I thought "Hey this should be in philosophy," because that's what you usually associate discussions about things like God with.
But yeah, nice idea. ^^
Anyway... I have no useful input. I sort of agree with what Spatterdash said, except that I think that rather than not being interested in us they would have a mind so incomprehensible to us that perhaps they do not even "realize" us anymore than we realize them.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:17 pm
tragikk Oooh when I first saw this I thought "Hey this should be in philosophy," because that's what you usually associate discussions about things like God with.
But yeah, nice idea. ^^
Anyway... I have no useful input. I sort of agree with what Spatterdash said, except that I think that rather than not being interested in us they would have a mind so incomprehensible to us that perhaps they do not even "realize" us anymore than we realize them. So not really related to humans? Would that be a god though? Sounds kinda like aliens (IMO), but in the way that we don't necessary understand what they could be. What if they weren't carbon based, or have a different set of senses? Dang, if I'm not careful, I'll derail my own thread. sweatdrop Anyway, it seems that reasonable definitions of god directly contradict with religions' view. So, I don't know if such a being would be god.
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Posted: Fri Mar 07, 2008 9:04 am
God to me is:
Everything and Nothing
All conscious thought and no conscious thought
All emotions ever felt or possible and an emotional void
Supreme, omnipotent and powerless
An individual but no identity
Intentional and non intentional
ect...
Basically in my book everything=nothing and God is a paradox. God is the supreme "everything" meaning he is both everything and nothingness.
o.O Sort of.
I'm not good at explaining myself.
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Posted: Sat Mar 08, 2008 3:28 pm
But that makes perfect sense! A paradoxical god is, ironically, more logically than a non-paradoxical one.
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