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 Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:57 pm
I was reading an old thread, and there was a quote from a pro-choicer that brought up forced organ doning.
I'm not sure if they were talking about people donating organs while they're still alive, or if they mean donating one's organs after they're dead... But if they meant the latter, I was starting to wonder. Would pro-choicers care about someone's organs after they're dead? Would they push organ harvesting from newly dead bodies without the deceased's consent? I mean, if they can 'remove' a 'lump of tissue' from a woman's body that has no sentient quality, can't think for itself, can't feel any pain, then why protect a dead person's organs? That person's not using them anymore, and a dead person doesn't have any right to their organs, right?
I mean, after all, they harvest stem cells from feti. If a pre-born person isn't human, and doesn't have rights, then a pro-death person(someone dead) has ceaesd to be human and shouldn't have any rights, either, right?
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:49 pm
I don't know, I guess it depends on the person (I don't think dead people have rights, so it's up to their family if they want to donate there organs or not if the deceased never consented).
I see nothing wrong with donating organs in order to save anothers life but I personally would only put it in my will or something (I don't have a will) instead on my drivers license when I get it.
I heard if you have it on your licenses then they don't always make a real effort to save you if you were in an accident or something.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:15 pm
I agree with sachiko. It's going to depend on the person, just like it does when you're pro-life.
For a lot of people who are pro-choice, the personhood of the fetus is irrelevant. It's about bodily integrity. If their beliefs stipulate that bodily integrity is a right that goes past death, then they most likely won't support forced organ donations to save lives, even past death.
It's not really connected as such to being pro-life or pro-choice, because people have different reasons for being pro-life or pro-choice. Those reasons may or may not influence how you would think about organ donation after death, but there's not necessarily a connection.
On a side note: Yeah, I actually don't have my thing marked as an organ donor, but I've told my family my wishes to be a donor if I can be, for that reason. I'm paranoid, I know, but eh. A will would take too long to get to, most likely. But the woman at the MVA gave me a really nasty look when I checked "No" on donating organs.
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 7:27 pm
lymelady But the woman at the MVA gave me a really nasty look when I checked "No" on donating organs. Why would you do that? sad
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 8:19 pm
I just explained it. I'm paranoid. I have made it very clear to my family that should I die, my organs are to be donated if it's possible...though considering my health, I'm not quite sure they'd be usable. Unless people like getting free lyme disease. I didn't like it so much, but then again, I wasn't faced with the option of lyme disease or death, because I definitely would have taken the lyme disease.
If there was no corruption in this world, I would certainly check yes. But alas, people as a whole pretty much suck.
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Posted: Sun Mar 02, 2008 12:14 pm
On my I.D( I do not have a drivers license) I am checked off as an organ doner. I know they might not try their hardest save me but I'm not really afraid of dieing so that doesnt really bother my. I doubt they would take my lung since I have breathing problems. I think the rest of my organs or Okay exept maybe liver and kidneys wink .
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 6:04 pm
I think the logic goes something like...
"The family owns the Cadever."
"The pregnant woman owns the fetus."
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Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:40 pm
FreeArsenal I think the logic goes something like... "The family owns the Cadaver." "The pregnant woman owns the fetus." But that logic fails. A fetus is usually alive while the cadaver is dead but was already born while the fetus hadn't been born yet . The only thing that they have in common is both the cadaver and a fetus are people that can't give consent so people control and treat them as they weren't or aren't (never were) people. I guess that's the real "logic" behind it.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:04 pm
La Veuve Zin lymelady But the woman at the MVA gave me a really nasty look when I checked "No" on donating organs. Why would you do that? sad Religious reasons probably. Or they're afraid that the doctors won't try to save their lives and harvest their organs rolleyes
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:09 pm
sachiko_sohma I I heard if you have it on your licenses then they don't always make a real effort to save you if you were in an accident or something. I'm assuming you're like a teen or something. If so, you have NOTHING to worry about. That may only happen if the individual is much older or regularly sickly. Actually docters may try extra hard to save your life because death of young healthy people reflects poorly on the doctors and hospital. If you can't save a young person, why the HELL would any older individuals want to go there for surgery? If the doctors in fact that incompetant that teens and young adults die so frequently?
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:16 pm
Er, actually, we have some sickly people in here who are afraid of such things happening. sweatdrop Sooo, I don't know about using the eyeroll emoticon. xd Little insensitive for those who have a reasonable fear of such a thing. wink
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:20 pm
Mm. I do have that fear. And it does sound a bit paranoid. Not to mention selfish. But I really don't trust doctors. They don't always have your best interests at heart, because they're humans.
They can't use my organs anyway, but I feel like even if they could, I'd check no.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:29 pm
I.Am Er, actually, we have some sickly people in here who are afraid of such things happening. sweatdrop Sooo, I don't know about using the eyeroll emoticon. xd Little insensitive for those who have a reasonable fear of such a thing. wink Then those peope aren't doctors, those are organ peddlers, if that's the case then it wouldn't even matter whether you're a donor or not. Those kinds of people would take your organs anyway. Criminals don't just commit crimes when there is permission involved. With enough falsified paperwork, they could harvest anyones organs regardless of the donar factor. By that time, it's too late. But I'm sure no real doctor would do that. The only time a real doctor would probably do that is for a person in a persistant vegetative state or some kind of serious accident that damages your nervous system but not your other vital organs.. And depending on the type of sickness, they might not even want your organs. Any kind of cancer or pathogen would probably disqualify you. So yeah, Just don't go brain dead or into a coma. And if you're brain dead, you wouldn't care anyway. Remember organ donation has no money involved in the exchange. If the person who needs the organ does not have a priority ver an equally if not more sick person. What is there to gain by letting one young person die so another young person may live. If they are around the same age, it doesn't really matter who gets to live until one person dies. On what basis would a doctor make the assesment that one child deserves to live and the other does not even if they are both dying? Both need medical attention. One could argue that if said injured person's organs are still well and in tact, then it would be more cost effective to let the kid waitng for a new heart die, beause he was sickly anyway. At least the injured child's organs still work right? Then the donor has a higher chance of living, unless like I said, the person has severe nervous system damage, at which point, nothing can be done.
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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 10:52 pm
Naztakuan sachiko_sohma I I heard if you have it on your licenses then they don't always make a real effort to save you if you were in an accident or something. I'm assuming you're like a teen or something. If so, you have NOTHING to worry about. That may only happen if the individual is much older or regularly sickly. Actually docters may try extra hard to save your life because death of young healthy people reflects poorly on the doctors and hospital. If you can't save a young person, why the HELL would any older individuals want to go there for surgery? If the doctors in fact that incompetant that teens and young adults die so frequently? Age as nothing to do with it. People had died because when they found out that they were a organ donor, they didn't try as hard as they could have to save them in order to use the organs for someone else. I have poor opinons on doctors here because they don't really do their job (I went back and forth for a few years and they didn't do much to help my illness). Health Care as gone down hill. They even dump patients out on the streets in some places and let a woman die on the hospital floor, even called the cops on her at one point, that hospital or part of it is shut down now (does that sound caring to you?). Sadly that's how bad it is out here. Though i'm sure there are still some good doctors left that care about people.
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Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:28 am
sachiko_sohma quote="sachiko_sohma"]I They even dump patients out on the streets in some places and let a woman die on the hospital floor, even called the cops on her at one point, that hospital or part of it is shut down now (does that sound caring to you?). Sadly that's how bad it is out here. Though i'm sure there are still some good doctors left that care about people. My point exactly. That was a bad hospital ergo part of it was shut down. Also, what you are referring to has nothing to do with organ donation and everything to do with Americam health care. Doctors won't let you die because you're an organ donor. They'll let you die BECAUSE YOU DON"T HAVE INSURANCE. If your insurance doesn't cover ypur procedure, then they may not use any of their resources to treat you. That woman was allowed to die probably because she was working class. There's a reason that more Black Americans than Whites die from various condition. Many of them are part of the working class and therefore cannot afford insurance. Incidently organ donars in the black community is also low, and yet thet are still treated poorly becasue they don't have the money. Doctors treat the riches patients no matter how ill or injured they may be.It's called classism.
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