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 Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2008 9:38 pm
Shhhhhhhh! I'm about to defy you.Hoping this is a good place to put this, but I require discussion of an intelligent matter about a subject I've been regularly talking about with this person in the ChatterBox (Yes, scary, I know...) sweatdrop
Long story short: Person believes the whole "Obama is a Muslim" story circulating the emails and is a "good Christian" who would never vote for a Muslim.
I have been open minded not calling said person any sort of degrading name or anything, just providing links to internet sites debunking this story. These links are repeatedly ignored, and the kid's father got on her account and posted something pretty much calling us all idiots who would rather see America damned than anything else.
So. My question to you is this: What do you do when you know you're right about a subject but no one seems to listen, even if you provide them with evidence that you are right.
I'm also providing a link to the thread, starting where it is mostly just me and her.
Take a look if you want and please give me opinions o3o 
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 6:57 am
Singing Bunny Shhhhhhhh! I'm about to defy you.Hoping this is a good place to put this, but I require discussion of an intelligent matter about a subject I've been regularly talking about with this person in the ChatterBox (Yes, scary, I know...) sweatdrop
Long story short: Person believes the whole "Obama is a Muslim" story circulating the emails and is a "good Christian" who would never vote for a Muslim.
I have been open minded not calling said person any sort of degrading name or anything, just providing links to internet sites debunking this story. These links are repeatedly ignored, and the kid's father got on her account and posted something pretty much calling us all idiots who would rather see America damned than anything else.
So. My question to you is this: What do you do when you know you're right about a subject but no one seems to listen, even if you provide them with evidence that you are right.
I'm also providing a link to the thread, starting where it is mostly just me and her.
Take a look if you want and please give me opinions o3o you find this kind of thing in every election. the opposition tries to find anything they can to discredit their opponent. CNN has said that the school he went to was checked out and is NOT one of those militant muslim schools we all hear about. in fact, religion is not emphasized in that school at all. also notice, in the latest democratic debate, this accusation was not addressed even once. tho I wouldnt be surprised if it is brought up should Obama win the nomination and go up against McCain when they debate. as far as your question, if someone doesnt want to listen then there is nothing TO do. just leave it alone. if people are content to be ignorant, then let them. it's been my experience that no amount of fact or reason will change these peoples minds, and even tho you feel you are right (which I believe you are) it's not your job or place to make them see the light. all you will gain from such an enterprise is frustration.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 9:35 am
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
I read the "discussion" you tried to have with this girl. I think you're battling a lost cause, here. While it is obvious that you are truly trying to help this girl, it is more obvious that she--and her extremely immature parents--do not want to be helped.
The only real lasting problem with democracy is that the people who elect the decision makers are not always informed. No matter how much we try to get the information out there--through television, the internet, literature, debates, etc.--there is no way to force anyone to pay attention. It's a side effect of freedom. (Incidentally, I prefer the freedom to be ignorant over the alternative: being forced to hear and believe only one side of every story.)
Some people just aren't openminded, and there is not much you can do about it. Just be happy in the knowledge that you are doing everything you can to be informed and to help inform others. You can't reach everyone, but you might reach someone, and that's all that matters.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:12 pm
I think you did a very honorable thing. Just to kindly back out of something. I personally believe that the only good argument is one that can come to a conclusion. Even if it is who know how long in the future. If an argument can't come to a conclusion then there is no point to it anymore. It becomes a quarrel and is not profitable to either side. You did do the right thing.
My Thoughts,
Benjamin
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Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:55 pm
I know how that feels.
Some people just don't wanna listen....maybe it's because they are idiots or because they have been brainwashed.
I am guessing the reason why this person thought so is because in Muslim, if they kill a Christian they automatically go to heaven and can choose which relatives can go with them. It's a scary belief I know, but it's true. I forgot the term for it....starts with J. Jahed?
Anyway, some people are a lost cause..especially when you're talking to people in the CB...or sometimes Gaia in general.
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Posted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:18 pm
It's equal to me if Obama is a muslim or not, as long as he is no wardriver like several others of the previous presidents. I have to say that he may be the most representative president of the united states, towards foreign countries, which is my main factor of judging, because I am not american.
Discrediting a political rival is a common way for unable politicians to win elections. I live in Germany and several of our politicians walk equal ways like yours during elections. Recently there had been important elections in Hessian and the christ-democrats and social-democrats discredited the socialists with slogans like "Stop communists!", and aimed on the "stupidity" of the mass not to vote for that party, result of it all is the socialistic party now being a ruling party.
The statement of muslims killing christians to get to heaven is not even a half-truth. It's only sick headed leaders on both sides abusing a religion which doesn't make a difference to christianity. I know a lot of muslims and they are absolutely no people who are only out to kill disbelievers! It's just the usual matter of radical minorities manipulating majorities, to head for their despisable aims.
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 12:23 am
first off race doesnt mean you are going to act like the sterotypes of that race, just look at the african american community for the most part they are protrayed as gangsta wanabee's that would kill you for not giving them a quarter. but their are some well respcted african american members such as morgan freeman, will smith,ect. that are all excelent people
but the fact is that people are moronic i mean the group mentality type that usualy are swayed by others real easy
for example in a open debate where people are debating in front of a audiance all it can take sometimes is for one person to start clapping and then most of them are clapping and cheering
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 8:09 am
Nurge The statement of muslims killing christians to get to heaven is not even a half-truth. It's only sick headed leaders on both sides abusing a religion which doesn't make a difference to christianity. I know a lot of muslims and they are absolutely no people who are only out to kill disbelievers! It's just the usual matter of radical minorities manipulating majorities, to head for their despisable aims. No...I think it's called the Jihad. It's obviously not done often and of course not all Muslims do it due to we want to try to achieve world peace and stuff
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Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 5:52 pm
I personally couldn't have cared less about his religious affiliation beforehand, but now that I've had the chance to see some of the 'religious' content of the sermons given at Trinity United Church of Christ, and to know that Mr. Obama has been a member there for over twenty years,
it's appalling, it's stunning, and I'm really at loss to explain how disgusted I am to think that he thinks he can talk it away with petty words about not disowning his community,
or his grandmother,
even though he basically called her a racist bigot.
You can't tell me that after you've gone to a church for over twenty years that you wouldn't notice that Rev. Wright, whom Obama named as his own best educator, was a racist, white hating, America-bashing dickwad [for lack of a better word].
If there's one thing as a Christian that I cannot tolerate it is a hate-mongering man that uses the name of God to spread his loathing.
If there's anything that comes close to aggravating me anywhere near as much as hate-mongers, it is the followers of hate-mongers.
And, by-the-way, none of the information about Trinity United Church of Christ is new. There were articles about it back in August '07, it just so happens that the media didn't pay too much attention to him then, and now they're forced to do so.
So while it's possible that your fellow Chatterboxer wasn't simply foaming at the mouth,
although calling him Muslim is a stretch,
but perhaps she was merely thinking about this when she spoke to you.
Screw you, Obama,
I vote republican, anyway.
*snip*snap*
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:47 am
T h e s t e p H
Screw you, Obama,
I vote republican, anyway.
*snip*snap*
im sorry i dissagree with your last statement about you voting republican you should vote on party you should vote on the people runing
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Posted: Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:33 pm
dreams into nights yami T h e s t e p H
Screw you, Obama,
I vote republican, anyway.
*snip*snap*
im sorry i dissagree with your last statement about you voting republican you should vote on party you should vote on the people runing
If Zell Miller or Joe Liberman were running, I'd reconsider what I said,
however it turns out that the republican nominees by far are more congruent with my own platform,
while democratic candidates typically end up being rather liberal.
Perhaps I should say I vote conservative rather than republican, but the two often do go hand-in-hand.
And show me an independent with half and chance at carrying a single state, and I'll give her/him the once over, but I haven't seen it yet.
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