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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:30 pm
I learned about this guy in art class last year. Apparently he's the guy that's responsible for splatter "art." My government teacher mentioned him and Rembrandt in the same sentence today, and then said that both of them were geniuses. HOW, in the name of all that is holy, does THIS count as art?  It looks like something a five year old would do! It's just wrong to put Pollock in the same class as Rembrandt.  Wrong! scream THIS is art! Mentioning 'Pollock' and 'art' in the same sentence without a negative in there somewhere is an insult to art in general. He used a STICK to THROW paint onto a canvas. What the hell! Why does he get so much recognition? That is not, in any way, shape or form, art.
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 5:20 pm
you are so right...that is why i hate almost all "modern art"...cuz its not art!
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:58 pm
Kira84 HOW, in the name of all that is holy, does THIS count as art? Heh. You won't like the answer. It counts as art because the person who made it is either rich or powerful enough to say that it is and not be contradicted.
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:16 pm
Blueroc Kira84 HOW, in the name of all that is holy, does THIS count as art? Heh. You won't like the answer. It counts as art because the person who made it is either rich or powerful enough to say that it is and not be contradicted. We had to watch a biographical movie about him last year. When he first started, he was laughed off. Apparently it took years before some friend of his that was involved in a magazine or a museum or something got him the kind of press attention he needed to lend him some form of legitimacy.... But he was a drunkard, and he's dead now anyway. Why people continue to treat this like art is something I really can't figure out. Even some real artists, people with skill, seem to take splatter art seriously. The movie treated his "ground-breaking" use of a stick rather than a brush to fling art on the canvas like it was a major discovery. With the dramatic music and everything. It was just so gross.
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 12:06 pm
Part of it is the age-old "people like to impress other people with how much they understand modern art." It's like the fictional subjects oohing and aahing over their nude emperor's nonexistent robes. They support each other in the lie. If Jackson's work were re-declared stupid, the purchasers of his art would be invalidated...which must not happen at any cost! So the avant-garde artists and those who support them continue to make and do - it helps them to feel as if they are contributing something worthwhile to society and are a cut above the rest.
In defense of modern art: I think it does have a place. Modern human doesn't want to have to think during the hurly-burly of the day. Slapping giant, meaningless art on hotel walls and offices decorates without involving the viewer and makes the place look modern, but stand for nothing. Kind of like the way Ayn Rand's Roark thought of architecture. The mindlessness is peaceful.
Oh, and that painting at the top looks like a hair clot.
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 4:32 pm
Hey... now that you mention it, it sort of does.
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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 6:01 am
He also used a bicycle to paint. He'd poke holes in the bottoms of two tins of paint, put each them on the handle bars, and ride over the canvas.
Rembrandt is also overrated. In art, technical ability is all that appeals to most viewers. His subjects and style are outdated. The characters are stiff and the lighting artificial (and natutrally doesn't make sense).
Splatter paintings are actually difficult to do. All the elements in painting something such as realism have to be considered for stupid globs of paint. Colour, negative space, line, etc. A five year old, and most people, couldn't do that properly/aesthetically.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 2:26 pm
...A bicycle. *slaps forehead*
I used Rembrandt for comparison because it was the first name that sprang to mind.... Good art is never outdated, some of the subjects do look kind of stiff, and personally I like artificial lighting. It helps to create a focal point in the picture and just sort of looks cleaner, for lack of a better term.
I've heard that splatter art takes those elements into account, but even so, aesthetic is the last word I would use to describe his paintings. But that's just a matter of personal preference. What really bothers me is that in paintings that are based more on concrete imagery you have to take all sorts of things into account that aren't an issue with splatter art: attention to minute details like wrinkles in clothes, anatomical details of people, animals, trees, leaves (including posture, facial expression, hands, etc), lighting and shadows, even if the lighting is coming from an artificial source in the picture the shadows have to be right, water is really difficult, trees and clouds are impossible to get looking right, angles and architecture have to be believable...
There are just so many more things that have to be taken into account in Rembrandt's style of art. Pollack was passionate about what he did, I'll give him that. But I just don't think the two styles are in the same league of skill.
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Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2008 4:38 pm
I used to hate Pollock too. I considered it filthy he could get away with doing that. But when I went to the MoMA in New York, the Pollock painting was one of the only things that really impressed me. Aesthetically, it was genius. It was enormous and had more energy than anything in the building. Everything else looked just like it would in a text book... Van Gogh's Sunflowers was a tiny piece of wood on a wall and not very impressive at all. The whole point of Pollock's "art" was movement, and that the paint was the subject.
They are out-dated in terms of how they were viewed then compared to now. Those techniques and elements that Rembrandt concentrates on were considered genius attempts back then, but our knowledge of painting and drawing today makes mere technical skill not as important as incorporating new styles and techniques in art. Thats what modern art is about. There are three ways to translate or say something visually in art: the first is using symbols, which hardly gets past stick figures and little eyeballs. The second is using all the elements of design and drawing to pretty much translate what you see into the same language it was before (realism). The third is taking all the elements but using them to say or convey something different visually than what we normally see. Splatter, surrealism, expressionism, etc. Most take a lot more skill and rapid-firing synapses than to just convey something that looks the same when you see it. Its kind of like when someone says something to you in a different language but you still understand them (sometimes, you don't though...). Its a lot easier to draw things realistically then people think. Its just about getting into the habit of using the right thought processes but that is a WHOLE different speech about brain functions.
But it usually does come down to preference. I'm not going to waste my time in art school just making splatter paintings. A) I don't think I could do it properly and B) I would get tired of the same thing over and over again.
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Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2008 10:22 pm
I don't know what the MoMA is, but I don't hate Pollock. I'm just annoyed at people who put him on the same level as artists who use a style that is more difficult. Although I'm not exactly a big fan of Van Gogh either. I think he's kind of overrated.
You meant out-dated as in, not the style called modern art? I'll concede. It's definitely not that style.
But in styles other than realism, there's a lot more room for artistic license, which sometimes has interesting results but from what I've seen results more often in paintings that just... er, give me a headache to look at, because creative or not, it doesn't look like a whole lot of skill went into them. Basically, I don't care for abstract art. That's not saying I only like realism, though... My favorite artist is probably Escher.
You may be able to draw or paint relatively simple things fairly easily with realism, but to get it to look really good is really difficult and takes a lot of skill. You have lighting, depth, color, texture, details, and an appropriate level of subtlety so the various aspects of the picture don't just leap out and stab your eyeballs.
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Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 7:50 pm
Its just a modern art museum or gallery. Some kind of building. I don't think hes overrated, but I think he gets publicity and popularity for the wrong reasons. It seems to be enough for people that he was the first person to paint like this, or at least successfully, and do things differently. As opposed to the work he makes himself. Yes out-dated chronologically. Pollock was doing something different, Rembrandt was not. Someone painting Dutch realism today would not make a lot of money doing much more than illustration.  - Hommage to a Square (at least one of them) by Josef Albers This is where I draw the line with art. The colours alone make me sick. Even the composition is appalling. But whatever. Its all relative I guess. I'm sure someone has a bathroom to put this in. I found it actually doesn't. Chiaroscuro involves a bit of training, but its actually not that hard (if you concentrate on technical skill religiously) to get good at it. I've seen people get 'trianed' like that in a month. Not all the way to Rembrandt, he figured out how to become talented like that himself, and quickly deviated to something more skilled than just 'showing off' technical ability. Its got something to do with the way your right brain processes visually as opposed to the left.
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Posted: Mon Sep 01, 2008 7:18 pm
Well, I suppose Van Gogh's paintings did inspire the song Starry Starry Night, I've got to give him credit for that...
The basic concept isn't that difficult, except in the more involved compositions, but then it can get very difficult.
And that picture just... how do people make money off that sort of thing? I don't get it.
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Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:37 pm
Yeah but my idea and understanding of an advanced composition is using more than just flat out realism to translate something visually but to create something more than simply what we see.
He made money off of it because he was the first person to do that.
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Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2008 12:18 am
I don't disagree with that. Honestly, I'd probably prefer a photograph to plain realism. I just like concrete imagery as opposed to abstract art, and I think good art should involve technical skill. Like fantastic realism, or surrealism... some of the the stuff in those styles is a little out there, but a lot of it's good.
The subject doesn't have to actually exist, but technical skill is a must, which is why I used Rembrandt as an example. And some logic helps too. For example, someone I used to go to school with was always drawing dragons. When asked why they always had two legs instead of four, she would reply that for a dragon to be able to fly, all the muscle mass in the upper body had to be used for the wings. It could not logically have front legs as well. Her pictures had a crazy amount of detail... That's the sort of thing I'm talking about: art that involves the elements and skills used in realism. I'm not trying to say that only realism counts as art.
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