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 Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:36 pm
could anyone point me in the direction of a website that has a ritual or something for summoning?
i would prefer if five different people posted a website, because i don't want them all to come from one person.
EDIT: ive got an even better question.... or, hypothetical situation anyway...
lets say a ritual calls for a lot of quotes of people from the bible, say saint joey-god-guy. in order to use this ritual for my any purpose, (any at all)
do i need to actually believe in the bibles bull for it to work?
if so or not, i would like to pose another question.
what gives the power to any rituals words, symbols, etc...?
i know that most symbols stand for things (hence they are symbols) but what actually puts the power into them? like.. wheres it come from i suppose?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:16 pm
fluffysteel2 could anyone point me in the direction of a website that has a ritual or something for summoning? i would prefer if five different people posted a website, because i don't want them all to come from one person. What are you summoning? Why are you summoning it? Have you ever performed magic before? How long have you been practicing? What sorts of tools do you want to use? What types of magic are you familiar with? Have you created a sacred space/do you know how? Do you know how to psychically protect yourself from the influences of the being's spirit and mind?
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Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 8:35 pm
I can go and look up some things on google to see what I think is credible with my already present knowledge on summoning. I may be able to find a copy of an e-book you can download...
What knowledge do you already have on summoning?
Do you have any preferences for what you're going to do?
And I'd like to see your answers to Wildfire.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:41 am
SlaineWildfire fluffysteel2 could anyone point me in the direction of a website that has a ritual or something for summoning? i would prefer if five different people posted a website, because i don't want them all to come from one person. What are you summoning? Why are you summoning it? Have you ever performed magic before? How long have you been practicing? What sorts of tools do you want to use? What types of magic are you familiar with? Have you created a sacred space/do you know how? Do you know how to psychically protect yourself from the influences of the being's spirit and mind? thats not a credible website.... rofl just kidding. due to privacy issues because i cant access my computer, im useing a friends and cant answer /all/ of those.... i am summoning him/her so we come to an agreement in the event that i can learn something and perform something else, but saddly i cant even say the use on my computer because its probobly illegal. XD yes ive performed. ive been practicing since i was 7 in one form or another, and am currently 14 incase you dont know, so seven years. the only thing i can truely say im familiar with is necromancy because i suck at everything else. ten four on the sacred place. and i dont need protection from this entity phisicaly, and mentaly im prepared as far as i can be at this point, even though i am around 60% sure he/she won't/can't hurt me mental. dorian: thanks. i googled it by myself but i hate cross refrencing things and later finding out its an unreliable source. EDIT: sorry for misspellings, im not at my house and cant use the magical firefox spell check. crying
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:40 am
1. Look up in your favorite text on how to invoke things.
2. Offer yourself as a vessel in exchange for what you want
3. ???
4. Profit
Now, internet aside, I'd say... look up a copy of the Lesser Key of Solomon and follow the general procedures presented therein. Modify as needed to fit your situation.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:14 pm
The Lesser Key of Solomon King. Go. Frolic with the demons.
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:33 pm
Blind Guardian the 2nd The Lesser Key of Solomon King. Go. Frolic with the demons. You know it's a summoning question when this pops up. heart
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Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:14 pm
If you can't talk about it, then you shouldn't do it. Unless you're a bloody genius, seven is not old enough to understand magic. Necromancy is not magic, it is divination. Quote: The word necromancy derives from the Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía), "divination".
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:00 am
SlaineWildfire If you can't talk about it, then you shouldn't do it. Unless you're a bloody genius, seven is not old enough to understand magic. Necromancy is not magic, it is divination. Quote: The word necromancy derives from the Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía), "divination". That is debatable. I think it requires people to agree on what can be done with 'the dead' and what of that would qualify as necromancy. But yeah, as far as the word goes, necromancy does have the correct root.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:22 am
Dorian Requiem That is debatable. I think it requires people to agree on what can be done with 'the dead' and what of that would qualify as necromancy. But yeah, as far as the word goes, necromancy does have the correct root. How is it debatable? In order to effectively communicate with one another, we need to have words that we can use on common ground to communicate to one another. If someone arbitrarily changes the meaning of a word, then we cannot have effective communication. I could say "sock" when I mean "love" but no one's going to understand what I mean unless I get enough people in my camp to understand, agree with, and then change the usage of the word - which takes time - at least more time than he has to convince me that necromancy is not a divination. I've heard a few people claim that there is some sort of "evil" magic that they call necromancy, but as no one can give me a definition for what that entails and how many people are commonly practicing it under that definition, then I'm inclined to consider it bunk.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:45 am
We generally refer to any magic(k) involving things no-longer-alive as necromancy, because anything else just sounds stupid.
Besides, pop-culture has already changed the meaning of the word. When you play a video-game for instance, and the character is a "necromancer," they are generally doing magic involving dead-things... not just "asking for directions" and whatnot.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:52 pm
SlaineWildfire If you can't talk about it, then you shouldn't do it. Unless you're a bloody genius, seven is not old enough to understand magic. Necromancy is not magic, it is divination. Quote: The word necromancy derives from the Greek νεκρός (nekrós), "dead", and μαντεία (manteía), "divination". i understood the consept of psi, and i could make a psi ball by seven. e_e and i didnt claim it is magick i said the only hing i can even say im familiar with is necromancy. also, please dont tell me what i should and should not do. i already decided what im going to do and i would have done it by now if google wasnt full of retarded stuff that takes a month to figure out if its credible or not because they use half assed 'real' rituals. if i wanted to know if i should do something, i wold have asked if i should. not to mention i didnt say what it is because im not on a reliable computer, not becuase tis 'dangerous'. neutral EDIT: im not intentionaly being a jerk im just a little straped for time anymore and people keep wasting it.... not that your wasting my time, because i usualy apreciate anyones concern for my well being.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 3:29 pm
SlaineWildfire Dorian Requiem That is debatable. I think it requires people to agree on what can be done with 'the dead' and what of that would qualify as necromancy. But yeah, as far as the word goes, necromancy does have the correct root. How is it debatable? In order to effectively communicate with one another, we need to have words that we can use on common ground to communicate to one another. If someone arbitrarily changes the meaning of a word, then we cannot have effective communication. I could say "sock" when I mean "love" but no one's going to understand what I mean unless I get enough people in my camp to understand, agree with, and then change the usage of the word - which takes time - at least more time than he has to convince me that necromancy is not a divination. I've heard a few people claim that there is some sort of "evil" magic that they call necromancy, but as no one can give me a definition for what that entails and how many people are commonly practicing it under that definition, then I'm inclined to consider it bunk. It's debatable because language evolves. Meaning changes. You're right about the etymology of the word necromancy, but regardless, people have moved on to new definitions, as Khalida said. It is, in a very appropriate sense, incredibly gay. As you said yourself, it's all about getting enough people to focus on a certain definition, and I think the majority would believe necromancy is about magick pertaining to the dead. But hell, does it matter that much? fluffysteel2 also, please dont tell me what i should and should not do. i already decided what im going to do and i would have done it by now if google wasnt full of retarded stuff that takes a month to figure out if its credible or not because they use half assed 'real' rituals. if i wanted to know if i should do something, i wold have asked if i should. not to mention i didnt say what it is because im not on a reliable computer, not becuase tis 'dangerous'. neutral Amen, fluffy. We shouldn't be here to slap your wrist and tell you to play with safer things, we should help you do what you want to do. Sadly though, I can't really help (is it bad that I accidentally typed 'halp' there?), other than to check the "Chatting up Gods/Goddesses" (or whatever) thread near this one. It has a lot of good tips, unless you're not summoning a god. What /are/ you summoning?
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 5:43 pm
@Slaine-Well, its already been explained why its debatable by Mitsh, Khalida, and you too. If there are different camps involved it would most likely (read as 'hopefully') end up being debated to a point were theres a commonly agreed upon definition for the context whatever, in this case necromancy, has been used in.
@Mitsh-I think what fluffy considers necromancy is a little relevant in it would give us some idea of what hes done, but yeah, it doesn't seem matter that much even with that.
@fluffy-I rather like your disregard, it reminds me of me. I don't suppose you could PM someone the answers you can't answer and have them post it for you. The illegal comment leads me to think that you're onto something vengeful.
I'd hope you can download e-books, since then I'm sure we could point you to a few works that may be helpful. Still, I seem to have the chaote point of view, I read over things and stuff until I feel I've done that enough, let the knowledge gestate for a while, then I do whatever I figure would work/is best.
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Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:01 pm
If you want to do this, and I won't ask for the details, more power to you. I just ask a couple simple things:
1.) Be precise. If you're summoning anything mischievous, they'll look for loopholes.
2.) Be protected. Keep yourself away from it, or it away from you. As a subrequest, include some way of getting rid of it if things get rough.
3.) Don't do anything stupid that can get yourself in a huge metaphysical mess. I've seen it happen, and it's not at all fun.
Otherwise, have a good time, and let us know how it turns out.
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