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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:22 am


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Is there someone who's taken complex analysis (or anyone that can see a stupid mistake in my math) that can explain why these results are different? If you plug them into the calculator, they come up differently, separated by exactly Pi/2. I've been straining my head on it but I can think of why. It may have something to do with the failure of log properties, or the fact that the answer to this integral is normally just arccot(x) + C, or that C isn't necessarily an arbitrary constant, but I don't know for sure.
PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:01 am


Simple error, nothing major.

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whereas you have it as

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Fiddle with that and see where it leads you.

Layra-chan
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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 6:06 pm


The error was in my partial fraction expansion so now I get:

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Which when I plug into my calculator does equal the 1/(-x^2-1). But when I do then integration after the fix, the result is still separated from the other answer by Pi/2

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 7:35 pm


You should be getting the same values for both. If you plug, say, x = 0, you get 0 in both cases (are you remembering the absolute value signs?)

Actually, let's look at this more carefully for a moment:

Your problem seems to be in the difference between

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And that's where the factor of pi comes in.
At that point though, I think it's just a constant of integration, because if you actually plug in values for integrating over then it's fine.

Layra-chan
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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 9:23 pm


Well, I plugged in values beyond zero, and I moved the 1/2 into the log expression as a radical (so as not to need the absolute values). It seems to be the constant of integration that is the meddling factor. Your point on the nature of logarithmic integrals makes that clear. It may be that the constant isn't arbitrary.
PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:29 pm


It just comes from the fact that ln(-1) = pi.

I was just worried for the longest time that it would be the result of the logarithm not being a single-valued function, but now I'm sure it's just a constant of integration problem.
The constant is still arbitrary on an absolute scale, but if you're comparing one integral to the other then there is a relative term...I'm not sure if that last sentence actually made sense.

Layra-chan
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IcarusDream

PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:17 pm


It did; because comparing one integral to another is where I started. At first, I was just dealing with dx/(x^2+1), without the negatives to add the confusion. I simply set dx/(x^2+1)=dx/(x^2+1) and then had arctan on one side and the partial fraction expansion on the other. When I solved for C, and used an identity, it gave me arccot in terms of logarithme imaginaire. With the -dx/(x^2+1) calculation I was simply trying to do the same thing, expecting to get an answer that gave me arctan in the same terms.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 2:23 pm


You also had a negative in the second equation that u didn't have in the first.

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