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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:14 pm
Alright, so... I honestly don't know if this Guild is even the right place to ask this, but seeing this is one of only two I'm active in, I figure hey, spiritual people appreciate the more traditional arts, so... yeah.
Okay!
1) A friend of mine recently got a sword from a friend that moved away. We were planning to bless/cleanse it with a little ritual. It would involve leaving it in the light of the full moon, anointing it with rose/rosemary/sage water and sprinkling salt on it. Is it safe to steep the herbs in water and apply that and/or oil, as well as salt, without doing damage to the blade? I'm not entirely certain so I figured I'd ask.
2) I myself am looking to acquire a blade, as I know some about their use and she (being my friend) and I are going to learn (with bokken - wooden swords - first, of course) to use them. I'm trying to decide between a traditional katana (being either this one or this one) and a shirasaya. For those that aren't versed in sword types, a shirasaya is a katana without a tsuba, or guard. So therein lies my dilemma. Shirasayas never saw combat in Japan because they were lacking in a guard. This in and of itself is making me lean towards the katana. However, the sheer elegance and beauty of the shirasaya also makes me lean that way. I need to decide between total beauty and losing a few fingers, it seems. razz
Any advice would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks! ~Aika
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:18 pm
I would go with a katana, particularly if you aren't a sword master you don't want to risk your hands. As for the cleansing, I am not entirely certain. Oil and salt don't sound like good things for metal to me though, particularly the salt. Someone in here might know better, but this also may be a good question for google.
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Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 8:41 pm
no you should not cleanse a sword that way....
Edited out by mod: please don't tell people that they should cut themselves to cleanse something. (1)They could hurt themselves, (2)It's harmful to your body. "An it harm none, do what ye will", (3)It's just plain stupid (no offense intended).
but i have heard of the sun and moon cleanse for a sword though,although it may not be a part of the pagan tradition,the gods will still understand what you are trying to do
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:54 am
it all depends on what type of metal the sword is made of. XD And i would suggest getting both a wooden Katana and Shirisaya, before decicding what feels the best to you.
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 7:57 am
rikuizo no you should not cleanse a sword that way.... Why not? :3 And I'm a sucker for pretty things, I'd go for the shirasaya. But that's probably not the most sensible idea. Perhaps start with katana, and eventually get a shirasaya?
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:19 am
@Ciele: I'm also a sucker for beauty, so that was my biggest problem. I agree though; I think starting with a katana seems more sensible. I had someone tell me; "You'll never be in combat with it; this is the 21st Century." I had actually heard something about gaining a permit to carry weapons, and my friend (the one who's learning with me) told me she knows a guy that never has fewer than five or six weapons on him at one time, both bladed and firearms. I just kinda sat there and twitched, wondering if that was even legal.
I know you can get a permit to carry a knife that's, like, under three inches in blade length, but I doubt they'd let me walk around with a katana on my hip. Will they? -ponders-
I also have now to decide between two katanas. I know, I'm terrible, but it'll be my first functional sword. I have a crappy decorative sabre from India, it's got hidden tang, the blade is in terrible condition, just... blah. I want this one to be special, you know?
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Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:11 pm
A shirasaya sounds beautiful. A sword in a Wiccan or Neopagan circle is meant to be symbolic, never used as an actual weapon. Given that you say these swords were never actually used in combat, that would make it perfect... well above and beyond a conventional katana.
But I suppose the question to really ask first is why get a sword in the first place? Will you use it? Not everyone uses swords, so you should make sure you really want it and will actually use it before getting one.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:17 am
Do you really have to have a reason to get a sword? I have a set of three that I don't go out and fight with, but i think are pretty and I just like having them because I think ancient (meaning pre fire arms) weapons are interesting. I would love to get a nice bow and quiver of arrows biggrin
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:30 pm
If the blade is stainless steel, then water, salt, oils...whatever should be fine - especially if all you do is sprinkle. If you are worried about staining or damaging it, you can alway wipe it clean before you set it in the moonlight. As long as your intent is that the blade be purified then that is what will happen even if you don't soak the whole thing for hours.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:17 pm
If the blade is stainless steel you shouldn't use it as a "battle ready" weapon as you'll have several peices of it all of a sudden. However water and salt should be fine regardless, providing you don't leave it on for ages and make a point of drying it off and cleaning it carefully.
As far as combat and stuff is concerned, I don't know about where you come from, but I used to train swordfighting (15th century, b*****d's swords - 1&1/2 handed) and as long as the blade was blunt, it wasn't considered a weapon. We did print out that part of the lawbook just in case though, the police might not be aware of the rules. I can't really see a reason to carry around a sharpened katana though. I have no experience with katanas, but a sharpened b*****d's sword could cut bone like butter when aimed right. And if you find a good kendo studio, you ought to get your chance to practice combat. smile Even if only with the wooden ones, it's fun either way. smile
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:04 pm
@Cosmic: Guns are for sissies. 'Nuff said.
@too2sweet: Thanks, that's what I thought. smile
@[Helmorana]: Right, I know that stainless steel is very brittle. Hmm, blunted eh? I'm in Michigan, and our laws tend to suck. I actually do LARPing, so I run around beating people up. I'm used to fighting florentine, but I've fought with a katana-like blade before. One-sided, just no curve. I'm actually fairly decent. xd :
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:05 pm
rikuizo no you should not cleanse a sword that way.... the only way i know off hand of clensing a sword is to cut yourself with the blade,in the forefinger In most Wiccan and pagan circles, this is a bad move. Our swords and athames are not to be used to cut on the physical realm and they are especially not to be allowed to draw blood, even yours. Blood magick is something to be studyed and well prepared before one uses it. I use sage or other herbs, burnt in a dish and pass my metals through the smoke. I find that this and running over flame work best for me.
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Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:02 pm
Quote: @Cosmic: Guns are for sissies. 'Nuff said. That's what I say 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:19 am
CosmicCrystal Quote: @Cosmic: Guns are for sissies. 'Nuff said. That's what I say 3nodding Eh, ya'll are just bitter because they can kill you long before you get close to them. Good tactics, I'd say. Not much different than killing someone wielding a longsword with a longbow from a distance. Tactics. 'Nuff said.
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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:47 am
I actually just don't think guns have any elegance about them. I have stronger opinions than that but i would prefer not to use a thread about swords to get on my gun soapbox xp
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