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donte1204

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:04 pm


so whe was talking about evolution in class and it left a lot of kids confused . although some kids was confused there was the ones that believe GOd made us like that,so theres also a question about what came first dinosaurs or the Bible account which is Adam and Eve.... What theories do you believe about evolution and all this?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:38 pm


What I think?

There is/are no G/god(s). People just created the idea of gods to explain what science not yet could. But that doesn't stop a lot of the things from the bible from existing. I believe Jesus Christ did exist, but as for the things he and others were said to have done, I have no explaination.

That, however, doesn't mean divine occurances shouldn't exist. Evolution would be inferior to me if I could only be what I wanted to be, a being that will appear in my signature as soon as I get access to a scanner.


So yeah, evolution wins-----for now...

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donte1204

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:41 pm


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What I think?

There is/are no G/god(s). People just created the idea of gods to explain what science not yet could. But that doesn't stop a lot of the things from the bible from existing. I believe Jesus Christ did exist, but as for the things he and others were said to have done, I have no explaination.

That, however, doesn't mean divine occurances shouldn't exist. Evolution would be inferior to me if I could only be what I wanted to be, a being that will appear in my signature as soon as I get access to a scanner.


So yeah, evolution wins-----for now...
but you must consider this "unexplained occurences in science" are missing links also, and you believe in it isnt that just about the same as believeing in G/god(s)?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:43 pm


i believe in God okies that what i vote on

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donte1204

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:47 pm


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i believe in God okies that what i vote on
i mean God didnt automatically put us on this earth like this, if that was the case then like i said first which came first the dinosaurs or Adam and Eve, cause in the bible it doesnt mention any dinosaurs and in history it dont have any account of at the begging of time there was men, and how do that explain other things like adaption and such in evolution
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:49 pm


donte1204
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i believe in God okies that what i vote on
i mean God didnt automatically put us on this earth like this, if that was the case then like i said first which came first the dinosaurs or Adam and Eve, cause in the bible it doesnt mention any dinosaurs and in history it dont have any account of at the begging of time there was men, and how do that explain other things like adaption and such in evolution

look dinosaurs came first and when they all died, adam and eve showed up >.>

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donte1204

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 7:50 pm


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i believe in God okies that what i vote on
i mean God didnt automatically put us on this earth like this, if that was the case then like i said first which came first the dinosaurs or Adam and Eve, cause in the bible it doesnt mention any dinosaurs and in history it dont have any account of at the begging of time there was men, and how do that explain other things like adaption and such in evolution

look dinosaurs came first and when they all died, adam and eve showed up >.>
according to the Bible(if im right) the earth waas made and withing a week adam and eve were too, explain how the dinosaurs died in a week if you dont mind
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 8:05 pm


dinosaurs came earlier and when comet came they poof, and a new era began biggrin and that would be when adam and eve showed up

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dragonmatt5

PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 9:22 pm


not sure why but this topic has been brought up in one way or another in everyone of my haunts on the web. quite frankly i am getting a little sick of it.....lol.


the bible doesn't mention the dinosaurs, nor explains a multitude of other issues man has since answered leaving me to believe the book itself was written by man. That being said, just because you can disprove the bible doesn't mean that God doesn't exist, just that the zealots and bigots that hide behind book as a sheild for their actions are wrong. But then again even the book itself says that such action is wrong...
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 10:04 pm


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not sure why but this topic has been brought up in one way or another in everyone of my haunts on the web. quite frankly i am getting a little sick of it.....lol.


the bible doesn't mention the dinosaurs, nor explains a multitude of other issues man has since answered leaving me to believe the book itself was written by man. That being said, just because you can disprove the bible doesn't mean that God doesn't exist, just that the zealots and bigots that hide behind book as a sheild for their actions are wrong. But then again even the book itself says that such action is wrong...
i brought it up cause i was interested into seeing what my other guild members think


and they do say some books of the bible is hiddin from the worl or maybe its a myth question

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:34 am


My opinion is that gods in any shape of form are completely fictitious creations born out of a need for deeper explanation of our existence. Most people like to have reasons for things, because we tend to fear the unknown, and so by concocting the idea of a deity, all awkward questions and insecurities would be conveniently answered. As long as enough people are willing to believe your story, you could make a religion out of anything.

A lot of teachings in the bible and most other holy scripts of the various religions do provide good teachings though, but still, in my opinion holy texts are just glorified book of fancy stories and moral notes.

I'm not religious and don't plan to be unless someone can prove without a shadow of doubt, that a god exists. It does seem impossible to disprove Gods existence, however, all the facts and odds stack up against him.

The fact is, evolution clearly explains the progress of life in a way that makes rational sense, while religion shuffles around it and trips over it's shoe-laces once or twice while doing so.

As for "Unexplained occurrences in science"...well....light bulbs would be an unexplained occurrence in science if you went far enough back. If I showed a Nintendo DS to a medieval Knight, I would probably be labeled a wizard or something of the like. Humanity is far from understanding their surroundings to anywhere near a complete extent, but we're slowly but surely making progress with scientific and technological achievement. I'd prefer that over saying "Yeah thats there because some invisible dude said so" any day.

Phew....well, thats my rough view on the issue, hope it's not too long, I can sometimes ramble on about things. sweatdrop
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:58 am


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My opinion is that gods in any shape of form are completely fictitious creations born out of a need for deeper explanation of our existence. Most people like to have reasons for things, because we tend to fear the unknown, and so by concocting the idea of a deity, all awkward questions and insecurities would be conveniently answered. As long as enough people are willing to believe your story, you could make a religion out of anything.

A lot of teachings in the bible and most other holy scripts of the various religions do provide good teachings though, but still, in my opinion holy texts are just glorified book of fancy stories and moral notes.

I'm not religious and don't plan to be unless someone can prove without a shadow of doubt, that a god exists. It does seem impossible to disprove Gods existence, however, all the facts and odds stack up against him.

The fact is, evolution clearly explains the progress of life in a way that makes rational sense, while religion shuffles around it and trips over it's shoe-laces once or twice while doing so.

As for "Unexplained occurrences in science"...well....light bulbs would be an unexplained occurrence in science if you went far enough back. If I showed a Nintendo DS to a medieval Knight, I would probably be labeled a wizard or something of the like. Humanity is far from understanding their surroundings to anywhere near a complete extent, but we're slowly but surely making progress with scientific and technological achievement. I'd prefer that over saying "Yeah thats there because some invisible dude said so" any day.

Phew....well, thats my rough view on the issue, hope it's not too long, I can sometimes ramble on about things. sweatdrop
intresting views and yea we did make progress but theres still a missing link for example they say hte whale is a mammel, if the whale is a mammel then why does it live under sea, name me another under sea creature that a mammel but dont walk on land. the whale is thought to be from a wolf like animal and over time adapted to having a abundance of food in hte water, thats why whales have hind legs which it doesnt use, also the fins of a whale is shaped like a dolphines but hte bone structure is shaped like a monkey's arm, or a eagles wing, so these are the missing links i am talking about just as for humans they say we either have monkey or lizard ancestory, in the womb of our mothers we had tails and gills, and came out they were lost so that do show progression.....although it be pretty badass if we had a tail...thats what i think ninja

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:39 am


What have whales being mammals and pre-birth attributes got to do with God though? sweatdrop

The fact that whales are mammals evolved to survive in the sea just demonstrates the broad possibilities of evolution. Just because it's an odd occurrence does not make it the work of divine intervention. Though we would like it, the world isn't perfectly ordered and there will always be the element of chance. Sometimes things that are unlikely happen, sometimes thousand to one chances score. As long as the possibility's there, it'll happen eventually if the chance it passed by enough. If you role a 20 sided dice often enough you'll always get 20 at least once. wink

Now something I would call a missing link would be if eyeballs with wings suddenly came flying past and fried my neighbor outside with laser beams while singing Hallelujah....then I would certainly start to think something was up. But first I'd need to concentrate on a dramatic quest to avenge my neighbor first, with sharp things and magic and dramatic poses.
PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 10:56 am


Actually, at one point, our species did have tails. And then we learned to walk on two feet, and so the need for a tail to balance us became obsolete. I'm a die-hard evolutionist. It drives me absolutely nuts when someone tries to argue with me about the Earth being only like 6,000 years old.

Did I spot a D&D reference? Or do my eyes deceive me? rofl

I can name you plenty of mammals that live in the sea: otters, dolphins, sea lions, sea cows, etc. It just happened that their ancestors didn't want to leave the water with the rest of the air-breathers and stayed behind.

Although, I was watching an amazing comic who has an awesome point of view on this, so I'll just quote him in that.

Lewis Black

Was the earth created in seven days? No. This was a wonderful tale told to the people of the desert to distract them from the fact that they did not have air conditioning.


And with that, I'm now off to Physics. crying

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donte1204

PostPosted: Fri Jan 25, 2008 1:59 pm


good points, CP but the question would remain what tails did we have? was were monekys or lizards if you look in a mothers womb the child inside have gills and a small tail(also great answer ot my question i really forgot about those others animals XO). and Kokujo ,whales being mammals and pre-birth attributes have nothing ot do with God i think, i was simple making a example of this missing link that i was speaking of in evolution and i dont know if its chance i really dont know how bugs and animals adapt to their surroundings, i mean a zebra adapted to being black and white so it can hid efrom its predators and a girraffe adapted to reaching for high trees for a abundance of food, maybe this animal(wolf-like, monkey, bird, or frog) adapted, over millions ofcourse, to the water streamline, some experts believe that this adaptions is cause if a animal think hard enough it adapts, and if thats true then is that how we became about(us humans from monkeys or lizards)?
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