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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 4:54 pm


Saw this on feministing and someone in the comments linked to this:

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Antiabortion cause stirs new generation

WALLINGFORD, PA. -- The bell rang and the eighth graders jumped up, eager to compare notes.

"I named my baby Kyle Patrick," one shouted.
"Mine is Antonio!"

At the urging of an antiabortion activist, they had each pledged to "spiritually adopt" a fetus developing in an unknown woman -- to name it, love it from afar and above all, pray daily that the mother-to-be would not choose abortion.

"Maybe one day you'll get to heaven and these people will come running to you . . . and say, 'We're all the little children you saved,' " activist Cristina Barba said. She smiled at the students in their Catholic school uniforms. "Maybe you really can make a difference."


Thirty-five years after Roe vs. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion, opponents are pouring resources into building new generations of activists. Young people are responding with passion.

Today's students and young adults have grown up in a time when abortion was widely accessible and acceptable, and a striking number are determined to end that era.

Pew Research Center polls dating back a decade show that 18- to 29-year-olds are consistently more likely than the general adult population to favor strict limits on abortion. A Pew survey over the summer found 22% of young adults support a total ban on abortion, compared with 15% of their parents' generation.

Looking specifically at teens, a Gallup survey in 2003 found that 72% called abortion morally wrong, and 32% believed it should be illegal in all circumstances. Among adults surveyed that year, only 17% backed a total ban.

These statistics should not obscure the fact -- made clear in poll after poll over decades -- that a substantial majority of Americans want abortion to remain legal in at least some circumstances. And millions of young people continue to choose abortion when faced with unplanned pregnancy; every year, 600,000 women under age 25 abort.

But among those fighting to criminalize the procedure, the young -- trained in antiabortion summer camps and political internships -- are increasingly out front.

"You look at pictures of marches [over the years] and the crowds just keep getting younger and younger and younger," said Derrick Jones, an advisor to National Teens for Life.

In Colorado, a teenager last year decided the state constitution should define a fertilized egg as a person. Kristi Burton, now 20, won a court fight about her proposed amendment and leads the campaign to put it on the ballot this fall.

In California, a 17-year-old girl last week filed a lawsuit in federal court for the right to start a "pro-life club" at her San Jose-area high school. A Virginia teen recently took similar legal action, and her school promptly dropped its objection to the club.


Here in greater Philadelphia, the antiabortion group Generation Life enlists teens to hand out literature on beaches and guides them through role-playing to hone their powers of persuasion.

At a recent workshop, Claire Levis, 17, played the part of an abortion-rights supporter. "My friend got raped and you want her to have the baby? How can you ask a 15-year-old to go through a pregnancy? That's nine months of ridicule and pain," she shouted.

Liz Coyle, 16, responded: "It's not the baby's fault. He's never done anything wrong."

Liz then added: "There are plenty of teachers willing to home-school your friend if she doesn't want to go to class when she's pregnant. Or she could go to school, and stand up for herself."

The dozen teens watching burst into applause.

"I feel like we're all survivors of abortion," Claire said.

She has five sisters and a brother; most of her classmates, she said, come from much smaller families. The way Claire sees it, they're missing out on much joy -- and she blames abortion.

"I look at my friends," she said, "and I wonder, 'Where are your siblings?' "

This sense that millions of their peers are missing motivates many young activists.

They are also the first generations to grow up seeing images from inside the womb displayed like prized family photos -- tacked to the fridge, posted on the Web, pasted into scrapbooks. Ultrasound videos even interrupt their TV shows; the conservative advocacy group Focus on the Family bought ad time to air fetal pictures during "American Idol Rewind" and a college football all-star game.

"Abortion feels more personal for us," said Kristan Hawkins, who supervises 400 college clubs through the group Students for Life of America.

Abortion-rights supporters are also reaching beyond the old guard of leaders, which veteran activist Nancy Keenan refers to as "the menopausal militia."

Like their opponents, abortion-rights groups sponsor college clubs and train students as peer educators. They're also turning to Facebook, MySpace and text-messaging to recruit and energize students. NARAL Pro-Choice America has even produced a series of YouTube clips, meant to look like a college student's video blog, to encourage grass-roots organizing.

But far more viewers have clicked on YouTube's many antiabortion offerings, including undercover footage -- filmed by a UCLA sophomore -- of an abortion-clinic clerk suggesting that a teen lie about her age on the admissions form so her much-older boyfriend would not be reported for statutory rape.

Some analysts believe that liberals have lost support among young people by failing to acknowledge that many find abortion deeply troubling, even if they support the core principle of choice.

In a speech last week, Keenan, president of NARAL, acknowledged as much. "Our reluctance to address the moral complexity of this debate is no longer serving our cause -- or our country -- well," she said.

In the years after Roe, "the pro-choice community alienated a lot of young women," said Cynthia Gorney, author of "Articles of Faith: A Frontline History of the Abortion Wars."

"They haven't found a way to get them back," Gorney said. "This is one of their huge failings."

To regain momentum, major abortion-rights groups plan to shift tactics this year. They hope to win over young people by focusing on issues less controversial (and to many students, more pressing) than abortion, such as the rising price of birth control on college campuses.

"You have to go to where they are," Keenan said.

That's a strategy that antiabortion activists are already putting to work.

At St. John the Evangelist, a Catholic church in Philadelphia, Father David Engo encourages the passion he sees in young adults for social justice.

Engo organizes volunteer work at an AIDS hospice and among the homeless. Then he explains that he sees the antiabortion cause as part and parcel of such work -- yet another way to fulfill Christ's commandment to serve the least among us.

That connection inspired Bill Gonch, a 23-year-old administrative assistant.

"I didn't know any pro-life people before I joined the church. All I knew was what I saw on the news -- a lot of noise, a lot of anger," Gonch said. "It surprised me how caring and loving they were. . . . And it's more of a youth movement than I expected."

The next time the church's young-adult club gathers for peaceful protest outside an abortion clinic, Gonch plans to be there, praying.


Highlighted interesting and disturbing parts.

This is kinda weird but I like what Ann on Feministing says about some of these people:

Ann of Feministing.com
On a somewhat unrelated Roe anniversary note, as I was walking in to work today, I crossed paths with a gaggle of junior-high girls in matching hats on their way to the March for Life. I resisted the urge to stop, hand them my business card, and tell them to give me a ring once they start having sex... and start realizing they want the rull range of reproductive choices. (I'm sure I'll be seeing those girls' pictures on anti-choice sites in the near future, crowing about how beautiful they are and about how all the pretty girls want to deny other women the right to choose.)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:16 pm


Oh great. Now the woman's uterus isn't owned by the fetus, it's owned by some eighth grader in Pennsylvania.

I wonder how "you're violating that woman's rights by proxy" would sound to them...

Lord Setar


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:36 pm


People always told me that it was a bad thing to talk to imaginary friends/ people. I FEEL GYPPED. scream

"Where are their siblings"

b***h, WHERE'S MY MONEY TREE?
Well you can first look in next week's period, and if the dog hasn't gotten the trash yet, you can try for the used tampons. razz

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 5:40 pm


Wait a damn minute, a 16 year old strips the choice of a fellow student and subsequently agrees that forcing her to maintain a pregnancy from rape and she gets Applauded?? I feel like walking up to Liz Demanding her kidneys, and a piece of liver and going "Where in hell is my parade?"

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:03 pm


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"Maybe one day you'll get to heaven and these people will come running to you . . . and say, 'We're all the little children you saved,' " activist Cristina Barba said. She smiled at the students in their Catholic school uniforms. "Maybe you really can make a difference."
That's on par with the craziness of "if I blow myself up there will be seventy virgins for me to pillage when I get to heaven." These people are insane.



Sadly, most young people won't understand the horror of illegal abortions without experiencing it themselves. *sigh*
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 6:59 pm


"I feel like we're all survivors of abortion," Claire said.

She has five sisters and a brother; most of her classmates, she said, come from much smaller families. The way Claire sees it, they're missing out on much joy -- and she blames abortion.

"I look at my friends," she said, "and I wonder, 'Where are your siblings?' "


You, yes you little Claire I have a job for you. Find a dictionary, big book with lots of words. Open it, flip to the Ts. Find the word "tact", read the description. Now, try to apply that in your life.

These girls really have no idea what it means to fight for rights. They aren't doing any work, they are being told what to do in a group that is all for the same belief. That little mock debate showed it clearly. Applauded after what she said? In real world the debater would have fired back and torn apart that argument. But they aren't "trained" to deal with that, or so it seems from this article.

Oh and this...


In Colorado, a teenager last year decided the state constitution should define a fertilized egg as a person. Kristi Burton, now 20, won a court fight about her proposed amendment and leads the campaign to put it on the ballot this fall.


That makes me feel sad. Oh so sad.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 7:47 pm


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Wait a damn minute, a 16 year old strips the choice of a fellow student and subsequently agrees that forcing her to maintain a pregnancy from rape and she gets Applauded??


I know! What in the ******** <******** really like to know how people with that kind of mentality can feel so ******** smug about it. "So, you went through this physically, emotionally, and mentally traumatizing experience called 'rape', and you just happened to get pregnant. Too bad, JUST DEAL WITH IT!"

Makes me want to SCREAM.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:10 pm


The generations are getting more stupid by the second!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:47 pm


I don't think the girl in the article understands that much about life in general. Children who end up in adoption often feel hurt. Rape children who are kept are usually hurt psychologically if not physically as well.

However, the major problem I see is that pro-lifers/pro-fetal rights activists/what-have-you enter into schools early on and teach children that killing babies is wrong, even in sex ed, the fetus was refered to as a baby when I was in school. We never had the option of hearing both sides, we constantly had pro-life thrown at us. We were never told that women had abortions because of monetary problems, rape, incest, marital problems, heath or even in situations of life or death. The common person described for having an abortion at these assemblies were teenage, drunk, high, selfish, slutty girls who had all the money in the world and were of no significances to society. These people take advantage early on to influence the thoughts of young impressionable minds with false information or piece information
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 5:18 am


Streex
I don't think the girl in the article understands that much about life in general. Children who end up in adoption often feel hurt. Rape children who are kept are usually hurt psychologically if not physically as well.

However, the major problem I see is that pro-lifers/pro-fetal rights activists/what-have-you enter into schools early on and teach children that killing babies is wrong, even in sex ed, the fetus was refered to as a baby when I was in school. We never had the option of hearing both sides, we constantly had pro-life thrown at us. We were never told that women had abortions because of monetary problems, rape, incest, marital problems, heath or even in situations of life or death. The common person described for having an abortion at these assemblies were teenage, drunk, high, selfish, slutty girls who had all the money in the world and were of no significances to society. These people take advantage early on to influence the thoughts of young impressionable minds with false information or piece information

Exactly what I was thinking when I read the article. This is because of the abstience-only s**t bush administration agenda and NOT because these young people really believe abortion is wrong. I believe a lot of them will convert when they become sexually active (might be later than usual) and "see the light" of course there always will be those who will remain stubborn but i'd hope they would educate themselves a little more.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 7:00 am


Streex

We never had the option of hearing both sides, we constantly had pro-life thrown at us.


Well, there's that, and the fact that "killing is wrong" is just an easier, catchier message. We are all brought up by our parents (hopefully) in the knowledge that stealing is wrong, killing is wrong, lying is wrong, and hurting others is wrong. The wording of the pro-life movement is appealing to children as it fits right in with that parental message of what is right and wrong.

Teens I'd expect to delve more deeply into the issue and have a basic understanding of BI, autonomy, historical oppression and the value of self-determination, so I have no patience or sympathy for them. But younger teens and children; certainly, I see why they gobble it up. It has a ring to it.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:14 am


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Pew Research Center polls dating back a decade show that 18- to 29-year-olds are consistently more likely than the general adult population to favor strict limits on abortion. A Pew survey over the summer found 22% of young adults support a total ban on abortion, compared with 15% of their parents' generation.

Looking specifically at teens, a Gallup survey in 2003 found that 72% called abortion morally wrong, and 32% believed it should be illegal in all circumstances. Among adults surveyed that year, only 17% backed a total ban.


Two reasons:

I hate to say it, because I really don't think youth is an excuse and I hate to put down young adults, but... I think a lot of it is immaturity. How many people do you see in the ADT or any of the many other threads on abortion who come in posting ignoarant stuff, and then when we counter it, it becomes apparent that they hadn't thought of it that way? I think it's ignorance, lack of empathy, and propaganda.

The other reason is that my generation has been able to take the right for granted. We don't remember sisters, mothers, aunts dying of illegal abortion or "mysterious accidents". (That is when you have a void in your life. Not missing someone you never knew, but losing a loved one.) We typically don't know girls who were forced to have babies in high school. We can't remember how bad it was, and few of us care to read up about it.

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They are also the first generations to grow up seeing images from inside the womb displayed like prized family photos -- tacked to the fridge, posted on the Web, pasted into scrapbooks.


This, too. I want to be happy for people like this, because that fetus is going to be their baby and they're already attached. The loss of a wanted pregnancy is tragic. But at the same time, the admiration of ultrasound images creeps me out. That's not the baby or child you grew to love. Not yet. To me, it seems like you might as well go back to the sperm, the egg, all the food your mom ate...

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But far more viewers have clicked on YouTube's many antiabortion offerings, including undercover footage -- filmed by a UCLA sophomore -- of an abortion-clinic clerk suggesting that a teen lie about her age on the admissions form so her much-older boyfriend would not be reported for statutory rape.


Honestly, I can't say I wouldn't do the same. Statutory rape laws often punish people for sex that was totally consensual. I don't think a 15-year-old is any less capable of consent than an 18-year-old. (But in my state, I think there has to be a five-year difference, so that's not so bad.)

Good news: I ******** LOVED Ann's response!

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These girls really have no idea what it means to fight for rights. They aren't doing any work, they are being told what to do in a group that is all for the same belief. That little mock debate showed it clearly. Applauded after what she said? In real world the debater would have fired back and torn apart that argument. But they aren't "trained" to deal with that, or so it seems from this article.


*nods* I hate how pro-choice is just a strawman to these people--or, more accurately, nonexistant. Most of the lifers I debate have never heard our main arguments. And a lot of things explaining both sides totally fail to explain bodily domain/integrity, which is the core of our argument.

I think part of the reason they don't teach these girls to deal with real pro-choice arguments is because... there really isn't one. Oh, and let's not forget: They're not focused on debating rationally, they're focused on intimidating and manipulating scared women (who are probably just as ignorant as them) out of abortions.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 9:46 am


Hokay.

"We are all the survivors of abortion"

I'm really sick of this "if you were born, you survived" garbage. I don't consider myself a survivor of abortion because I know I was planned and that my mom didn't consider aborting me.

You're only a "survivor" of abortion if your mom actually got an abortion and actually survived. If she just decided against abortion, even at the last minute, you didn't "survive" s**t.

"Where are your siblings?"

Oh, I'm sorry, was your friend's mom supposed to pop out more than one baby?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 4:19 am


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"Where are your siblings?"

Oh, I'm sorry, was your friend's mom supposed to pop out more than one baby?

That little gem actually reminded me of the Quiverfull movement *shudder*
It does rather suggest that contraception is depriving her friends of those much-needed siblings - I mean, how the hell would it even be an argument against abortion? Does she know all of her friend's mother's intimate lives that well that she knows they all had multiple abortions, thus depriving them of their siblings? The lack of siblings would logically be due to contraception and family planning, not necessarily abortions. Ugh. Dimwitted Claire.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:55 pm


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"Where are your siblings?"

Oh, I'm sorry, was your friend's mom supposed to pop out more than one baby?

That little gem actually reminded me of the Quiverfull movement *shudder*
It does rather suggest that contraception is depriving her friends of those much-needed siblings - I mean, how the hell would it even be an argument against abortion? Does she know all of her friend's mother's intimate lives that well that she knows they all had multiple abortions, thus depriving them of their siblings? The lack of siblings would logically be due to contraception and family planning, not necessarily abortions. Ugh. Dimwitted Claire.


Or GASP infertility caused by giving birth. Or the fathers are infertile but oh, that never happens. -.-

Quiverfull give me nightmares. T____T
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