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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:17 am
Since it's an interesting issue and one often brought up, I thought I'd bring some of the debate in the UK over here for a little bit. Basically, a few thousand people over here are dying every year whilst waiting for organs. It's triggered a discussion as to how we can boost organ donations and the Prime Minister has backed the idea of "opt-out" organ donations, as opposed to the current opt-in system. At the moment, you have to state that you would like to donate organs, and after your death your wishes can be overrode by your next of kin. The opt-out system would change this to a state of presumed consent unless you state otherwise... but your wishes can still be overrode by the next of kin. :/ It's the phrase "presumed consent" I don't like, and I haven't quite figured out why. In the meantime, here are some articles and views. What do you all think?
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:13 am
It might be that the so-called supportive but apathetic part of the pro-organ donors are secret anti-donators. Unless there isn't a good enough measure in the UK to clearly represent a person's wish on the matter (unlike the U.S. where they ask you if you want to be a donor and it shows on your drivers license).
It's very easy to be vilified and demonized if you are against organ donation (from yourself). I'm going to have at least 5 people jump on me for claiming that I chose not to be an organ donor.
If there is an organ shortage though.. guilting and shaming people to have their bodies stripped and ripped through while on their deathbed is not solving the problem, obviously and clearly. Maybe look into more technology? Like robotic body parts or something like cloning? Before anyone goes "eww, cloning"? .. i think the needy would appreciate an independent solution as opposed to waiting for someone else who might die and might give their body parts away.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:36 pm
I'm for keeping it opt-in, but removing the ability for a family member to contest the clearly stated wishes of the deceased. If someone has put in writing that they do or do not want to donate organs, that should be the final call, period.
My family is anti-organ donation but I'm a donor, and I have it on my license (which isn't legally binding) as well as my living will and advance directives (which are, but could still be contested).
I'm gonna be pretty pissed in the afterlife if I die before my parents and they don't donate my organs.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 2:39 pm
I don't know if I like this one.
Making people have to opt out if they don't want to in a way puts pressure on people to donate organs. It's like, they volunteer your body for organ donation and if you don't want it you have to say so. But a lot of people aren't comfortable with saying so because of the response they're bound to get, from people who think it's a horrible thing to not want to donate organs.
Also, the process for opting out could easily be corrupted so that it's vague on how to opt out, or a long and complicated process so people don't want to go through it.
And of course they could just allow a bunch of angry people to intimidate people who want to opt-out, like if you have to go somewhere to do it they could allow people to protest, saying things like "YOU GREEDY SCUMBAG" and "GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE TO LIVE!"
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:59 pm
Not a fan of 'opt-out' in this situation, I must say. Your body is yours even after death. If someone doesn't want to donate their organs, they shouldn't be made to feel bad because of it. People need to be made aware of organ donation, before they're on their death bed. Parents should talk to their kids about it when they get close to the age where they can make the legal decision for themselves (not sure about laws regarding minor organ donation).
I'm not up to speed on organ donations. I can't donate blood in the USA, so I don't know if I can donate organs as well. I don't have 'organ donor' on my license, but if I find out more and change my mind, all I have to do is sign the back of it.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:04 pm
Organ donation is up to the person. If someone wants to donate, the should, if someone doesn't have to, they shoudn't have to.
Still, (And I don't want to start a fight or anything, I'm just a little curious) why not? You're dead, you'll never need those organs again, and someone else does.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:32 pm
Lupine Pyrefly Organ donation is up to the person. If someone wants to donate, the should, if someone doesn't have to, they shoudn't have to. Still, (And I don't want to start a fight or anything, I'm just a little curious) why not? You're dead, you'll never need those organs again, and someone else does. The main reason I can think of for not donating (apart from having a disease) is religion. Someone would have to give some other examples, because there are plenty of non-religious people who don't want to donate organs. I understand your point though. You don't need your body anymore, and you won't know about it, but it's still all about your right to control what happens to your body.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:34 pm
What Mipsy said.
Myself, I'm torn between donating organs and donating the whole body to science. Either way someone else can have it. What do I need a dead body for anyway? wink
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:36 pm
It should be promoted more and people should be able to know where to go to opt-in. Many people might have no idea how they can become an organ donor, it seems. Over here there's all this "OMFG DONATE BLOOD" but nary a whisper about becoming an organ donor...
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:06 pm
Opt-out sucks.
A lot of religions are against "defiling" the body after death. I think many of the Middle-Eastern based religions hold these views, as well as a few Asian ones. I'm trying to look stuff up, this is only what I've heard from people...
And, personally, while I don't adhere to any specific religion, I fear post-mortum organ donations. It just feels wrong to me.
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:01 pm
I'm all for organ donation. Hell I'm all for blood donation. But that's because a kid at my school died a couple months ago. He had some sort of diesease that I can't even remember what it's called. (I have crappy memory) But I remember that he needed a liver donor and ended up dieing on the operating table or something along those lines.
I think that in this case regardless of your religion everyone should donate an organ (that you won't really need like your kidney (at least one of them anyway)) I know however that in Christianity that they do promote giving to others why not your organ. You would be doing more good than harm really.
Another reason I want to do it is because I have O negative blood (most people would want to keep their blood) and I want to do what I can to help out.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:10 am
Freedom Fire I don't know if I like this one. Making people have to opt out if they don't want to in a way puts pressure on people to donate organs. It's like, they volunteer your body for organ donation and if you don't want it you have to say so. But a lot of people aren't comfortable with saying so because of the response they're bound to get, from people who think it's a horrible thing to not want to donate organs. Also, the process for opting out could easily be corrupted so that it's vague on how to opt out, or a long and complicated process so people don't want to go through it. And of course they could just allow a bunch of angry people to intimidate people who want to opt-out, like if you have to go somewhere to do it they could allow people to protest, saying things like "YOU GREEDY SCUMBAG" and "GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE TO LIVE!" I don't trust my gov't to not screw my body up. Plus I bet we'd end up with an excess of organs. And as for your last paragraph... it already sickens me the amount of comments I've seen along the lines of "Everyone who decides to opt-out should be put on a parallel list to never receive organs". :/ I prefer opt-in and wouldn't mind seeing more promotion and knowledge about it. I have no idea how to become a donor and I'm not exactly sheltered.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:31 am
Fran Salaska it already sickens me the amount of comments I've seen along the lines of "Everyone who decides to opt-out should be put on a parallel list to never receive organs". That does sicken me.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:10 am
Fran Salaska Freedom Fire I don't know if I like this one. Making people have to opt out if they don't want to in a way puts pressure on people to donate organs. It's like, they volunteer your body for organ donation and if you don't want it you have to say so. But a lot of people aren't comfortable with saying so because of the response they're bound to get, from people who think it's a horrible thing to not want to donate organs. Also, the process for opting out could easily be corrupted so that it's vague on how to opt out, or a long and complicated process so people don't want to go through it. And of course they could just allow a bunch of angry people to intimidate people who want to opt-out, like if you have to go somewhere to do it they could allow people to protest, saying things like "YOU GREEDY SCUMBAG" and "GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE TO LIVE!" I don't trust my gov't to not screw my body up. Plus I bet we'd end up with an excess of organs. And as for your last paragraph... it already sickens me the amount of comments I've seen along the lines of "Everyone who decides to opt-out should be put on a parallel list to never receive organs". :/ I prefer opt-in and wouldn't mind seeing more promotion and knowledge about it. I have no idea how to become a donor and I'm not exactly sheltered. Yea, exactly.. while I understand what "sense" that makes to "opt out= never receive organs", it's donation on conditional terms, not unconditional terms...which defeats the purpose of this whole "donating" idea in the first place. It's a low-blow argument, not an academic one. So, if I were to donate my organs after death, could I decide to put conditions on it, like say, refuse to give them to fat sedentary people with poor dietary lifestyle, alcoholic people, smokers, other people who have practiced poor lifestyle decisions that have led to needing organs etc? And, if opt-in means that a dead body no longer has rights.. (which again, makes a bit of sense)... does that mean that grave robbing is ok? After all, a dead body literally doesn't need that shiny ring on their bony finger anymore. xd But stuffing them into big fancy boxes on plots of land takes up a lot of space... precious land that living people and animals need but can't have.
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:26 pm
Grip of Death Fran Salaska Freedom Fire I don't know if I like this one. Making people have to opt out if they don't want to in a way puts pressure on people to donate organs. It's like, they volunteer your body for organ donation and if you don't want it you have to say so. But a lot of people aren't comfortable with saying so because of the response they're bound to get, from people who think it's a horrible thing to not want to donate organs. Also, the process for opting out could easily be corrupted so that it's vague on how to opt out, or a long and complicated process so people don't want to go through it. And of course they could just allow a bunch of angry people to intimidate people who want to opt-out, like if you have to go somewhere to do it they could allow people to protest, saying things like "YOU GREEDY SCUMBAG" and "GIVE SOMEONE ELSE A CHANCE TO LIVE!" I don't trust my gov't to not screw my body up. Plus I bet we'd end up with an excess of organs. And as for your last paragraph... it already sickens me the amount of comments I've seen along the lines of "Everyone who decides to opt-out should be put on a parallel list to never receive organs". :/ I prefer opt-in and wouldn't mind seeing more promotion and knowledge about it. I have no idea how to become a donor and I'm not exactly sheltered. Yea, exactly.. while I understand what "sense" that makes to "opt out= never receive organs", it's donation on conditional terms, not unconditional terms...which defeats the purpose of this whole "donating" idea in the first place. It's a low-blow argument, not an academic one. So, if I were to donate my organs after death, could I decide to put conditions on it, like say, refuse to give them to fat sedentary people with poor dietary lifestyle, alcoholic people, smokers, other people who have practiced poor lifestyle decisions that have led to needing organs etc? And, if opt-in means that a dead body no longer has rights.. (which again, makes a bit of sense)... does that mean that grave robbing is ok? After all, a dead body literally doesn't need that shiny ring on their bony finger anymore. xd But stuffing them into big fancy boxes on plots of land takes up a lot of space... precious land that living people and animals need but can't have. And necrophilia! Dead people don't need their bodies anymore, give 'em to necrophiles! *thumbs up* I DO think the law should be changed so that said person's wishes cannot be overrode by next of kin.
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