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fluffysteel2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:21 pm


i was sitting on my epiphany toilet and it hit me that time travel isn't possible for two reasons.
the first reason being that if i traveled back ten minutes to stop myself from writing this because you guys flamed me (in the future), then i would not have been flamed, hence i wouldn't have gone back in time to prevent it from happening. it would contradict itself, so it isn't possible.

(chronokinesis(?) as in control of time, not the perception)

the second reason is more for like... chronokinesis(?) stopping time. you see, if someone were to theoretically just stop time, they would be inside of nothingness, like outside reality. it would be like trying to fit an atom inside of another atom. well, better example...... ok, it would be like attempting to fit two quarters inside the space one quarter would normally take up.

make sense? opinions?
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:39 pm


the first one is called a paradox. like, if i went in time to kill my father, then i would never have been born, but if i was never born, how could i kill my father?

the second i dont get, if u stoped time, u would just be able to go around, while time was stoped

BUT.. the thing that makes me wonder, if time has stoped, that means nothing should be moving right? so how does your heart beat? your blood travel around your body? how would you be able to use a car?

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fluffysteel2

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:45 pm


MikeeBoi1029
the first one is called a paradox. like, if i went in time to kill my father, then i would never have been born, but if i was never born, how could i kill my father?

the second i dont get, if u stoped time, u would just be able to go around, while time was stoped

BUT.. the thing that makes me wonder, if time has stoped, that means nothing should be moving right? so how does your heart beat? your blood travel around your body? how would you be able to use a car?

idk i didn't think about that. i had like a fixed situation in my head when i thought of this whole thing (thanks for the word, btw i couldn't think of it D: )
i should elaborate, in the second part i meant the quarters to represent the moment in time that you froze.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:29 pm


Time travelling toilet joke is made in the British sitcom Bottom, on one of their live shows (Bottom 2003: Weapons Grade Y-Fronts). Their time travelling toilet is named the "Turdis". (Dr. Who fans will get that one.)

Epiphany toilet? Scrubs, series 3.

The rest. Well, that'd involve something outside of media knowledge, so I will give it a miss for now. Watch this space.

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ChiyuriYami

PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:57 pm


Time travel by itself is impossible... the past is but a moment of reality that doesn't exist anymore.. and going into the future is going into a moment of reality that doesn't exist yet.

Both ways lead to nothingess since only the present exist.

also stopping time is probably impossible.. but slowing it or fastering it is possible. Slowing it is to maker yourself body, mind and soul, faster than the rest and so your comprension of time is quicker which make everything around you look slower. The opposite also work.. making yourself body, mind and soul slower to make things around you look to be going faster.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 6:18 pm


ChiyuriYami
Time travel by itself is impossible... the past is but a moment of reality that doesn't exist anymore.. and going into the future is going into a moment of reality that doesn't exist yet.

Both ways lead to nothingess since only the present exist.

also stopping time is probably impossible.. but slowing it or fastering it is possible. Slowing it is to maker yourself body, mind and soul, faster than the rest and so your comprension of time is quicker which make everything around you look slower. The opposite also work.. making yourself body, mind and soul slower to make things around you look to be going faster.


Well, travelling to the future is technically possible if one can travel at the speed of light. According to Einsteins theory of relativity, if one travels at the speed of light, time effectively stands still for the traveller. At least, that's what I've heard.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:25 pm


It all depends on what model of time you're using. If you consider time to be singular stream moving in one direction then it seems that time travel is highly unlikely.

If time is actually a flow of infinite possibilities branching infinitely from infinite choices then one could jump from one "thread" to another, but that probably wouldn't alter the thread that you jumped from.

We simply just don't know enough about how time works.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 4:41 am


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ChiyuriYami
Time travel by itself is impossible... the past is but a moment of reality that doesn't exist anymore.. and going into the future is going into a moment of reality that doesn't exist yet.

Both ways lead to nothingess since only the present exist.

also stopping time is probably impossible.. but slowing it or fastering it is possible. Slowing it is to maker yourself body, mind and soul, faster than the rest and so your comprension of time is quicker which make everything around you look slower. The opposite also work.. making yourself body, mind and soul slower to make things around you look to be going faster.


Well, travelling to the future is technically possible if one can travel at the speed of light. According to Einsteins theory of relativity, if one travels at the speed of light, time effectively stands still for the traveller. At least, that's what I've heard.


well as I said.. going faster make things look slower.. but going at the speed of light wouldn't make it look like time have stopped..
Light is fast but not instend.. it take time for the light of stars to reach us anbd so moving at the speed of light would only make it look like things are going very slowly but still moving..

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MrNonexistant

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:45 am


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ChiyuriYami
Time travel by itself is impossible... the past is but a moment of reality that doesn't exist anymore.. and going into the future is going into a moment of reality that doesn't exist yet.

Both ways lead to nothingess since only the present exist.

also stopping time is probably impossible.. but slowing it or fastering it is possible. Slowing it is to maker yourself body, mind and soul, faster than the rest and so your comprension of time is quicker which make everything around you look slower. The opposite also work.. making yourself body, mind and soul slower to make things around you look to be going faster.


Well, travelling to the future is technically possible if one can travel at the speed of light. According to Einsteins theory of relativity, if one travels at the speed of light, time effectively stands still for the traveller. At least, that's what I've heard.


I think the thorey was that if you went at the speed of light fo so long, if u looked back at the earth with a telescope the time taken for the light to get back would make it look ages ahed i think.. could be wrong i herd that like last year or so
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:02 am


ChiyuriYami
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ChiyuriYami
Time travel by itself is impossible... the past is but a moment of reality that doesn't exist anymore.. and going into the future is going into a moment of reality that doesn't exist yet.

Both ways lead to nothingess since only the present exist.

also stopping time is probably impossible.. but slowing it or fastering it is possible. Slowing it is to maker yourself body, mind and soul, faster than the rest and so your comprension of time is quicker which make everything around you look slower. The opposite also work.. making yourself body, mind and soul slower to make things around you look to be going faster.


Well, travelling to the future is technically possible if one can travel at the speed of light. According to Einsteins theory of relativity, if one travels at the speed of light, time effectively stands still for the traveller. At least, that's what I've heard.


well as I said.. going faster make things look slower.. but going at the speed of light wouldn't make it look like time have stopped..
Light is fast but not instend.. it take time for the light of stars to reach us anbd so moving at the speed of light would only make it look like things are going very slowly but still moving..


Hey, I'm not Einstein. Don't argue with me. But the theory is the faster you travel, the slower time's passing on you.

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Dorian Requiem

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 5:56 pm


I can only speculate as to special relativities effects in extended experimentation, or extreme experimentation. Though, assuming we could develope a way to potentially travel at the speed of light, and possibly live longer (in one respect or another), I would think that positive is more then outweighed by the negative possibility of bursting into flames if inside an atmosphere, or you know, becoming liquified.

Though thats just my seven million dollars worth of interest on two cents thanks to light-speed travel.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:34 pm


Some clarification on the light-speed relativity thing: From my understanding of it, the closer you are to the speed of light the faster you are traveling through time relative to everything else. For instance, you are in your little time capsule that travels at the speed of light and you have a clock in there with you. Inside that little capsule ten seconds is going to feel like ten seconds to you and it's going to elapse just like it would for you normally as far as your body's processes and aging. However, outside of your light-speed capsule, time is passing at a much "faster" rate relative to you. Ten seconds to you could be more like a couple hundred or thousand years to people on Earth not moving at the speed of light like you.

But take it up with Einstein's general theory of relativity; he's the guy that thought all this up.

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Khalida Nyoka

PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:03 pm


A few misunderstandings need to be cleared up.

The primary being that time travel is not (currently) possible due to the laws of thermodynamics. The only way to travel backward in time would be to bring a net-order to the universe. In all events (order-bringing or not) the universe is breaking down and becoming more random. Even if you clean up your room and mow the lawn, the universe will still become more chaotic as a result.

If you could somehow cause something to happen that would bring more order than chaos to the universe, you would then have travelled "back" in time. Time is a man-made convention used to understand the "rate" ( a time-based concept) of change or entropy in the universe.

The second (just for kicks), time may not even exist.

EDIT - all forward travelling is in speculation, and the only way to "stop" time would be to exist on an impossibly small scale (for humans).
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 9:52 am


Well seeing as philosophy says that people don't exist unless you can use the 5 senses to hear them (at least some philosophies do...), who can say that time exists?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 12:08 pm


Demosthenes2k8
Well seeing as philosophy says that people don't exist unless you can use the 5 senses to hear them (at least some philosophies do...), who can say that time exists?


Surely you can only use one sense to hear them?
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