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ji-an

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 3:40 pm


I don't know about the rest of you, but the ending of the game made me really confused. This forum is for any theory you can have regarded the "Luke/Asch" that appeared in Tataroo Valley in the last movie of the game, after the credits.


My theory

I think that the Luke that returned was the REAL "Luke." I always saw Asch's replication as a split portion of himself. It's like, when Asch was replicated, a part of himself was split from him. I say it was the child part of him, because that was the kind of personality Luke displayed at the beggining of the game. He acted like a spoiled, idolizing (Van) brat. The child in him eventually grew and overpowered the serious Asch. So when the two supposedly merged, they both became the Luke before replication, only the more mature and wiser personality remained. That's just my opinion.

I don't think it was a dual personality. There are traits there that signify Luke. First of all, Acsh was right handed, but the sword on the guy's back is placed on the side for the left hand and also in the style that Luke used (Luke is left handed). Secondly, Asch's hair was parted to the right while Luke to the left. When they do show the guy's face, it's parted to the left. Also he speaks about the promise which most likely refers to the promise Luke made to Tear. Plus there is a moment in the game where Jade talks to Dist about Asch's death. Dist says that his memories will remain and Jade continues to say, "But only his memories." So I'm guessing that Asch really did die and pass on his spirit to Luke.

The reason I think he returned was because of Lorelie, not because of replication. Like Lorelai fixed Van when his fonons were seperating, the same was done for Luke, which extended his life.




EDIT: MY THEORY HAS NOT CHANGED BUT, I just realized that the ending is a bit like Tales of Destiny 2. SPOILERS FROM HERE ON! IN WHITE TEXT! In Tales of Destiny 2, Reala disspeared and at the end, appeared in the place where she first met Kyle, and he had been there thinking about her. In Tales of The Abyss, after Luke vanishes in the end of the game Tear is still waiting for him at the Tataroo Valley, where they spent thier first moments together and Luke returns. Also in TOD2, Reala rushes forward to hig Kyle and in TOTA, you get the impression that Tear is moving forward, even though the camera hides it. Makes you think...doesn't it...
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:02 pm


Dual personality~

Alright, maybe not, but if the game were to be continued it might be Luke. In Tales of Symphonia 2 Lloyd was showed at the end of the trailer, I guess something similar to that could happen.

Based on fandom, I'd prefer it to be Asch that returned, though.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 5:19 pm


Genbu no miko Marie
Dual personality~

Alright, maybe not, but if the game were to be continued it might be Luke. In Tales of Symphonia 2 Lloyd was showed at the end of the trailer, I guess something similar to that could happen.

Based on fandom, I'd prefer it to be Asch that returned, though.


Really? I'm not so sure about a dual personality. There were traits I noticed that looked as though it was Luke.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:09 pm


Genbu no miko Marie
Dual personality~

Alright, maybe not, but if the game were to be continued it might be Luke. In Tales of Symphonia 2 Lloyd was showed at the end of the trailer, I guess something similar to that could happen.

Based on fandom, I'd prefer it to be Asch that returned, though.


Tales of Sympnohina : Knights of Ratatosk, see the longer trailer where it shows all the symphonia characters you play as except kratos.

if Asch returned then he will go with Natalia, what about Tear?
Maybe Natalia will go with Guy then.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:38 pm


*Gasp!* Aww Guy and Natalia. To me NataliaGuy=OhNoes. Guy and Noelle is more preferred. Natalia can be a single Queen like Elizabeth in England ._. Haha yeah shoot me for my obsessions
PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:44 pm


laoboi2007
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Dual personality~

Alright, maybe not, but if the game were to be continued it might be Luke. In Tales of Symphonia 2 Lloyd was showed at the end of the trailer, I guess something similar to that could happen.

Based on fandom, I'd prefer it to be Asch that returned, though.


Tales of Sympnohina : Knights of Ratatosk, see the longer trailer where it shows all the symphonia characters you play as except kratos.

if Asch returned then he will go with Natalia, what about Tear?
Maybe Natalia will go with Guy then.


Naw, guy and Natalia are more like friends. I never really agreed with Natalia being with anyone other then Asch, but I have to say that I had qualms about thier pairing as well. Nat is a year older then Asch and tecknically they would be cousins. Besides, I think Natalia was more holding on to Asch because of his promise, I don't really think she cared for him THAT much.

Also, Guy doesn't seem like a good counterpart to Natalia. They've shared a moment, but they feel more like good friends. I think Natalia should search for someone more diplomatic like she is.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 9:46 pm


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*Gasp!* Aww Guy and Natalia. To me NataliaGuy=OhNoes. Guy and Noelle is more preferred. Natalia can be a single Queen like Elizabeth in England ._. Haha yeah shoot me for my obsessions


I have to agree. I like Guy and Noelle too. And I have a sneaking suspicion that Noelle had a romantic interest in him. Hint: Guy's pilot outfit sidequest.


I really don't mind a paring with Natalia, but I don't see it happening. It feels unlickely.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:37 am


I honestly think it's a dual personality.

I think Asch and Luke went into one body.

Because at the end of the game, before the credits rolled, Asch moved his hand, and they both started to glow.
Which meant Asch was still alive (Lorelei possibly revived him?), and didn't it say somewhere in the game that the replica would die or something and something would return to Asch? Or something along those lines?

I don't remember. I've been playing Radiata Stories for so long, my mind is totally boggled when it comes to the Tales of the Abyss plot.


Or maybe the wind just moved his hand.
I don't know, but that's not really the point.

And at the end, when the promise is mentioned?
For all we know, it could be Asch speaking of Lukes promise (Luke telling him or speaking through him or something), or it could be solely Luke talking without any input from Asch. For all we know, it could just only be Luke.
But I have a feeling it isn't just solely Asch. I think Namco would have made it completely obvious to who it was, and I think they made it straight dead on that it was Luke speaking there. Asch would have had no clue about Luke's promise to Tear, unless he was listening through his and Lukes little connection, thar. And I'm guessing Luke knows when he has 'it open'.

At least, that is my idea of the ending.
It is either just Luke, or a dual personality of the two.

Omgomgomgedit: I think Asch actually does join with Luke.
You know that part where they're walking on Eldrant, and something is happening to Luke? That hyperresonance or something?
Isn't that proof that Asch did that?
So, basically, Asch was with Luke even BEFORE Luke disappeared.
:'D I rest my case.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 7:41 am


ji-an
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*Gasp!* Aww Guy and Natalia. To me NataliaGuy=OhNoes. Guy and Noelle is more preferred. Natalia can be a single Queen like Elizabeth in England ._. Haha yeah shoot me for my obsessions


I have to agree. I like Guy and Noelle too. And I have a sneaking suspicion that Noelle had a romantic interest in him. Hint: Guy's pilot outfit sidequest.


I really don't mind a paring with Natalia, but I don't see it happening. It feels unlickely.


I agree. :3
Guy/Noelle is much more appealing to me than Guy/Natalia, even though I like that pairing when it's written the right way.
But I'm much more of an Asch/Natalia fan. *has tons of fanarts* 8D

I could go all logical about that Guy/Natalia, but. xD; I'm sure you all don't want to hear my stupid little TotA theories.
And I don't want the Guy/Natalia fans on my a**. X_X
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:24 am


laoboi2007
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Dual personality~

Alright, maybe not, but if the game were to be continued it might be Luke. In Tales of Symphonia 2 Lloyd was showed at the end of the trailer, I guess something similar to that could happen.

Based on fandom, I'd prefer it to be Asch that returned, though.


Tales of Sympnohina : Knights of Ratatosk, see the longer trailer where it shows all the symphonia characters you play as except kratos.

if Asch returned then he will go with Natalia, what about Tear?
Maybe Natalia will go with Guy then.


I always thought it would be interesting, if they even did make a second game (but based on it's popularity in America and Japan it's very likely), that they could make just a body using fomicry, and make some kind of fonic thing where Luke could stay in the body he's in and Asch just use that. :/ If Asch even has a presence at all.

Kind of like what they did with Kikyo in Inuyasha, I guess is the best way to explain what I mean.

It's kind of odd but I thought it would be kind of neat. Although it would be complicated, and is unexplainable on my part. xD;

Grin Evilly


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 6:34 pm


Grin Evilly

Or maybe the wind just moved his hand.
I don't know, but that's not really the point.

And at the end, when the promise is mentioned?
For all we know, it could be Asch speaking of Lukes promise (Luke telling him or speaking through him or something), or it could be solely Luke talking without any input from Asch. For all we know, it could just only be Luke.
But I have a feeling it isn't just solely Asch. I think Namco would have made it completely obvious to who it was, and I think they made it straight dead on that it was Luke speaking there. Asch would have had no clue about Luke's promise to Tear, unless he was listening through his and Lukes little connection, thar. And I'm guessing Luke knows when he has 'it open'.

At least, that is my idea of the ending.
It is either just Luke, or a dual personality of the two.

Omgomgomgedit: I think Asch actually does join with Luke.
You know that part where they're walking on Eldrant, and something is happening to Luke? That hyperresonance or something?
Isn't that proof that Asch did that?
So, basically, Asch was with Luke even BEFORE Luke disappeared.
:'D I rest my case.
You are so right in so many ways~ :3

And, at the end the person acts more like Luke would, as Grin said if it was Asch then he would now nothing about Luke's promise to Tear.

And does anyone how much time has pasted when 'Luke' comes back? Beause a lot of people think it's like 2 years, but I think it's only a few days...
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 9:04 pm


Hmm... Dual personality, well I'm not that dude who made the game. I'm no so sure but, dual personality sounds... difficult. There could be a possibility that they're still thinking like when they linked, still I have no clue. If there were to be a sequel, it could be a whole new person because of the reason they morphed (For the promise thing, he can have that 'feeling' that he's supposed to be there. Then blahblah happy ending, they say more stuff). Although some games go cliche, so bleeh. Though Ji's theory seems... So true O_O I don't pay attention too much >>;

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 10:33 am


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Hmm... Dual personality, well I'm not that dude who made the game. I'm no so sure but, dual personality sounds... difficult. There could be a possibility that they're still thinking like when they linked, still I have no clue. If there were to be a sequel, it could be a whole new person because of the reason they morphed (For the promise thing, he can have that 'feeling' that he's supposed to be there. Then blahblah happy ending, they say more stuff). Although some games go cliche, so bleeh. Though Ji's theory seems... So true O_O I don't pay attention too much >>;


Do you mean My theory?
PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 11:56 am


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Or maybe the wind just moved his hand.
I don't know, but that's not really the point.

And at the end, when the promise is mentioned?
For all we know, it could be Asch speaking of Lukes promise (Luke telling him or speaking through him or something), or it could be solely Luke talking without any input from Asch. For all we know, it could just only be Luke.
But I have a feeling it isn't just solely Asch. I think Namco would have made it completely obvious to who it was, and I think they made it straight dead on that it was Luke speaking there. Asch would have had no clue about Luke's promise to Tear, unless he was listening through his and Lukes little connection, thar. And I'm guessing Luke knows when he has 'it open'.

At least, that is my idea of the ending.
It is either just Luke, or a dual personality of the two.

Omgomgomgedit: I think Asch actually does join with Luke.
You know that part where they're walking on Eldrant, and something is happening to Luke? That hyperresonance or something?
Isn't that proof that Asch did that?
So, basically, Asch was with Luke even BEFORE Luke disappeared.
:'D I rest my case.
You are so right in so many ways~ :3

And, at the end the person acts more like Luke would, as Grin said if it was Asch then he would now nothing about Luke's promise to Tear.

And does anyone how much time has pasted when 'Luke' comes back? Beause a lot of people think it's like 2 years, but I think it's only a few days...


I think it would be about two years or a year and a half. D:
I like to think that Luke was seventeen when the journey started, and when the journey ended he was eighteen.
So everything in the game happened over the course of a year. The cycle of seasons, if you will.

(Lol, the four month break was like summer vacation. 8D)

And since twenty is when the coming of age ceremony takes place in the game, then he was gone for two or so years. 3nodding

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:14 pm


ji-an
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Hmm... Dual personality, well I'm not that dude who made the game. I'm no so sure but, dual personality sounds... difficult. There could be a possibility that they're still thinking like when they linked, still I have no clue. If there were to be a sequel, it could be a whole new person because of the reason they morphed (For the promise thing, he can have that 'feeling' that he's supposed to be there. Then blahblah happy ending, they say more stuff). Although some games go cliche, so bleeh. Though Ji's theory seems... So true O_O I don't pay attention too much >>;


Do you mean My theory?

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