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 Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:08 pm
This is more of a discussion about the anime fanbase, not anime.
This relates to a real life event that happens to some people. When you hear people using Japanese words in English sentences and watch their anime online without eventually buying it or the manga version, they usually claim they are "true anime fans." In my honest opinion, I think there is necessarily no true anime fan. Just someone that watches anime and tries to buy it and get the manga version.
Well, with the usage with of Japanese words, it really doesn't make you an anime fan. It just means a) it's a bad habit or b) you think using it means you know Japanese and speak it instead of you thinking you're familiar with a couple words. I usually see choice b) more often. I really don't get why people think that. The only time you know Japanese is if you know how to speak it fluently or know how to try to translate English sentences into Japanese.
With the watching online issue, I guess it's okay if you want to get ahead of the series or watch a couple episodes in order to know if you'll like it or not. Also, if a series isn't out yet, I see nothing wrong with it as long as you try to watch it when it's out on DVD or you already read the manga series. If you watch it because you can't afford it or don't like the English dub, there is other ways you can do it without stealing it too much. If you can't afford it, you can use online rental services like Netflix and the such. If you don't like the dub, most DVDs (except ones by 4kids) allow you to watch it in Japanese with English subtitles on.
Well, what is you're opinion about a "true anime fan?" The people that claim they are one? Agree or disagree with my post?
Oh, if it doesn't belong here, I don't mind it being moved. I can search for it here.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 6:10 pm
Well, I would say I enjoy anime... But I'm not sure if I'm a true fan.
I buy manga if it looks interesting, or if it's by Nobuhiro Watsuki (Author of Rurouni Kenshin).
I download anime... And I have no plans on ever buying and/or renting. This is for a couple reasons:
a) The anime I like isn't released Stateside and may never be.
b) I had already watched up to episode 120 of Naruto twice before it aired here. I don't want to watch it again.
c) I'm not paying $29.99 for 4-5 episodes of something, or $6.99 for 4-5 episodes that have to be returned a day later.
d) I don't like the anime played on T.V. here, and I'm not paying money for something that is free. It aired in Japan for free, it airs here for free (if it's one I do like.) I'm not paying to watch the things ONCE. I'm not burning and "adding to my collection". I have a burned copy of Trigun that a friend gave me. That's about it.
There's alot of anime to watch. And though I do download in mass quantities, once an episode is watched, it gets deleted. I'm not profitting from it and neither is anyone else because it's not something they would get profit from anyways.
At the moment, these are the series I have on my computer:
Himawari!
Last few episodes of Ah! My Goddess!
Busou Renkin (Nobuhiro Watsuki anime whee )
Gundam First Type (Movies)
Char's Counter-Attack
Devil May Cry
Final Fantasy Unlimited
Shigurui
Tales of Symphonia OVA's
Genshiken Season 2
Gundam 00
Hayate no Gotoku
Minami-ke (not sure what this is, but Saizen subbed it biggrin )
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 7:00 pm
I just choose a series I'm interested in, and buy the manga/movies or DVDs if they are uncut and i know that the series is indeed a classic. I'll never watch I series for the sole purpose of "just watching it". It's a waste of time, and time is better than anything to me. That's one of the reasons I dropped ongoing series like Naruto or Bleach since thier styles are dull and unspiring and plot and character development is not as engaging as it could have been.
So yeah, I try to refrain from stealing anime because I honestly believe piracy is not "robbing from the rich to give to the poor" it is "robbing from the rich" and "killing off the poor". I'm not going to bother explaining that since the meaning behind that is very thorough.
I prefer supporting a series that actually draws me, and that's quite a rarity. I collected almost all of the FMA mangas(did not bother with the anime series, since I saw it already and I find it kinda boring compared to the manga), One Piece mangas(Going to buy the that movie that Funimation is going to release), Suzuka mangas, a DBZ uncut boxset(until the Frieza saga ended), Excel Saga boxset, and several art books all for really good sales and clearances online. I'm also going to buy some of the Evangelion remakes.
No point of me stealing a series I'll go "meh" too. I may not be a true fan since I have stolen anime in the past, but supporting the respective artist and companies that put all the work into bringing the anime I actually like here is about all the credibility I need.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 2:37 pm
Being the Japanese that I am, and also having experienced a lot of influence in anime, or the lack of it in the states, I see a lot of these issues... quite differently.
Well, naturally, I like anime. I've seen quite a lot of anime since I was little. From when I was like... 1 to like... 3-4-ish, I watched Anpanman, some super hero with some bread for a head, and as long as his head is fresh, he's powerful. And... whatever. He goes around feeding a piece of his head to hungry people too. @_@ LoL. It's pretty weird. And.. some other type of anime that Americans probably haven't seen or even heard of. Like this team of chibi-ish robots playing various sports games. Lots of friendship, teamwork, and other on-field-drama and what not.. I forgot what that anime was even called though.. ._.
Back on topic, being in America, obviously we can't get those anime on Cable or... sometimes even on Satelite. And definitely not with those oooold V-shaped antennae.. things back then. So we had to rent video tapes of them from video rental stores. That was fairly costly, if you ask me, but.. yeah. It was like the only method of getting anime back then. And then eventually, some new law got passed that disallowed rentals of videos that are raw from Japan where the commercials are still in the tapes or something. Not sure why they would go out of their way to do something like that, but that somehow jacked up the prices for video rentals there too. @_@ Which isn't all that bad.. But once anime got popular in the US, they started licensing them in the US. D= Meaning, it was illegal for those video rental stores to rent videos of those licensed anime. So I couldn't even watch the anime that I love raw now.
That really infuriates me that they'd license on-going anime like that, and top it all off, butcher it with the American dub and all the censorship it goes through. It loses its original taste once they do this, and I can attest to this with countless anime, which you've probably already seen me do. Which is why I'm sure those people who claim they're "true" anime fans would prefer the raw Japanese version of their favorite anime. HOWEVER, it's not as easy as it sounds. D= Like how Cranky said, the anime we like may never even be released outside of Japan. Meaning, the chances of them even making a DVD Box set of that anime, even in Japanese, decreases, which would make it impossible for anyone to buy such anime legitimately.
Of course, that doesn't apply to all anime, since most likely the anime we want are popular ones. But if it's an anime that's already licensed in the US and being aired on big TV networks, that anime is already getting lots of money from whatever company that licenses them, and distributed for free on TV as it is. If you were to download that anime, you'd be stealing from the network that licensed them rather than the anime, if anything. And even if you did, all it would affect would be the network ratings, I think. At least, that's all I can see that would be affected from watching an anime online rather than on their network.
As far as claiming yourself to be TRUE anime fans though, that's nonsense. They're just pushing their standards of their anime preferences onto people, or judging you by such. Expressing it by using Japanese words is one thing, but, if they go as far as to labeling others because of it, ... well, you get the idea. D=
I personally, download anime for reasons beyond personal preference, since I'm too lazy to go and find the raw anime of something that's already in front of me like Naruto, One Piece, Bleach, Death Note, Blood+, and the likes that's being aired right now. I downloaded Death Note because Vicki needed to catch up to it, since I wanted her to get into it, but she hasn't seen the first 10 episodes or so, until now. Any other anime, they're just stuff that won't be out in the US. D= Srsly. And even if they did, it would NOT end well.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:37 pm
Well I don't personally believe that there is in fact a such of a thing as a true anime fan. Yeah personally I like to buy my anime/manga for several personal benefits and just the downright sweet feeling of owning something I enjoy. I want anime dubing companies to continue to dub anime so I'll always be sure to buy my favorites no matter how long it takes me, of course that sorta limits my favorites to what I see on T.V. or what I borrow from a friend and well I don't believe in watching anime online because of one, poor quality and two I don't like hunching up to my screen to try to read subtitles without missing any action particularly funny scenes....
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 10:48 pm
I hear more "You're not a true gamer" than "anime fan".
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