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 Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 8:20 pm
Don't think this would go into the red light district but if it does sorry. Anyways on to the topic. In the past I've seen threads about how Yaoi and Yuri are completely acceptable and in many cases to those people you are weird if you don't like it. But then when a person asking on others stance about lolicon those same people come in and call that person a *****, a freak and other rude things. As we know loli is the attraction to a fictional character below the age of consent. Most loli comes from Japan where it is legal and a phenomenon. While in most other countries it's viewed as a form of ***** and child porn. People caught with it in those countries can be sent to jail and be marked as a predator. Quote: In February 2007, Senator John McCain introduced S.519, which would add a mandatory 10-year prison sentence to anyone who uses the Internet to violate the PROTECT Act. I'll even give my opinion on it. To me I like loli and honestly I think everything that would incriminate some one on a basis of like something that is fictional is wrong. Being marked as a predator meant you had sexual relations with a real person not just liking some fictional form. If anything I think loli is a good idea seeing as ***** is lower in Japan than it is in other countries and the fact Loli is popular over there kinda supports my idea. What are your opinions on the following? Is it wrong? Does the time fit the so called crime? Do you think the Japanese are morally wrong?
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 5:16 am
I think it would depend on what was involved. If it's just the two falling in love, that's fine with me. It happens all the time really, you see couples who have 15+ years age difference. Though I think it would really depend on how young the child is. But to have sex with a child? no. That I believe is wrong.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:07 pm
it all has to do wht the law xd
Like normaly in anime where the minor has a sexual relationship is above the age of 14, thus falling right above consent 3nodding
I learnd in my law classes that a persone above the age of 14 can give consent but must still have permision from their parents (thats why when they go to court it's the parents that press charges) but a persone 16 or older can give consent without need of parental souport.
That is the law in the european country;s and it's almost the same in te USA but in japan at the age of 14 you are seen as a young adult, so they are allowed to sweatdrop
Have u ever noticed how many aime charecters above the age of 14 live alone?
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:40 pm
Prizz1989 it all has to do wht the law xd Like normaly in anime where the minor has a sexual relationship is above the age of 14, thus falling right above consent 3nodding I learnd in my law classes that a persone above the age of 14 can give consent but must still have permision from their parents (thats why when they go to court it's the parents that press charges) but a persone 16 or older can give consent without need of parental souport. That is the law in the european country;s and it's almost the same in te USA but in japan at the age of 14 you are seen as a young adult, so they are allowed to sweatdrop Have u ever noticed how many aime charecters above the age of 14 live alone? A lot but the term loli is meant a person below the age of consent.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:45 am
I never seen lolicon myself but idt they dont go tooo far right? sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 8:50 pm
Honestly, I see no problem in Lolicon/Shotacon. Pure and simply, the character is fictional, so it is not against the law. If anything, it prevents things like child molestation and rape.
Everyone has their thing, and some people like Loli/Shota.
It doesn't neccisarily even need to be sexual. It just usually refers to something sexual in a given situation.
Best Example:
Fan drawings of Sakura, from CardCaptor Sakura. The pinacle of cuteness and under the age of 18. Often depicted in a sexual manner, but not always directly (ie. naked, doing acts, etc...)
Bottom Line:
Anyone can think what they want, but I stick to the "it's not real" side.
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 9:32 pm
I agree that as long as it's legal where the person is living (for their own sake... having to do 10 years for something like that would be so sucky) and as long as they don't confuse their fantasies with reality, loli/shouta is fine. Everything's fictional and no one gets hurt by it, so I don't see how it becomes a crime worthy of that much time in prison. So my final answer is no, I don't think it's wrong... um but when that stuff gets below a certain age though, like to the point of toddlercon, it really starts to creep me out. I still don't think that makes it a crime though... it's just something that I really don't want to see.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:34 am
Personally I'm not really for Lolicon, it makes me uncomfortable but as long as it STAYS in anime then that's fine.
There is a big difference though in Yaoi and Yuri compared to lolicon.
What we have is concensual homosexual sex versus statutory Rape.
Other then the act itself the two are miles apart.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:20 pm
Swefn I agree that as long as it's legal where the person is living (for their own sake... having to do 10 years for something like that would be so sucky) and as long as they don't confuse their fantasies with reality, loli/shouta is fine. Everything's fictional and no one gets hurt by it, so I don't see how it becomes a crime worthy of that much time in prison. So my final answer is no, I don't think it's wrong... um but when that stuff gets below a certain age though, like to the point of toddlercon, it really starts to creep me out. I still don't think that makes it a crime though... it's just something that I really don't want to see. Same here it's a persons taste but yeah once it gets below a certain age then it's awkward.
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Posted: Fri Jan 11, 2008 7:56 pm
 Le Prince de Glace ----------- ----------- Oh, man; at first, I thought you were talking about the style of dress (lolita) and I was very confused.
Anyways, Yaoi, Yuri, and Hentai can be much different from shojo-ai and shonen-ai (the terms switched as of late). Doing anything with someone underage is illegal, yes? However, I think that Yaoi and Yuri can have some equally supposedly terrible things, like rape. Also, some of these so-called "*****" creations have intercourse that's consensual, and therefore, I don't think should be viewed as bad. I, personally, am completely guilty of reading stories with "rape" plotlines and enjoying them. I think there are illegal happenings in many a fiction nowadays.
To sum it up: no, I don't think it's wrong. ---------------------- Prince of Ice
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Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:34 am
Sir Fluffington Le Prince de Glace ---------------------- Oh, man; at first, I thought you were talking about the style of dress (lolita) and I was very confused.
Anyways, Yaoi, Yuri, and Hentai can be much different from shojo-ai and shonen-ai (the terms switched as of late). Doing anything with someone underage is illegal, yes? However, I think that Yaoi and Yuri can have some equally supposedly terrible things, like rape. Also, some of these so-called "*****" creations have intercourse that's consensual, and therefore, I don't think should be viewed as bad. I, personally, am completely guilty of reading stories with "rape" plotlines and enjoying them. I think there are illegal happenings in many a fiction nowadays.
To sum it up: no, I don't think it's wrong. ---------------------- Prince of Ice i get what u mean i have seen hentai wht those genre too redface but as long as it stays as inmagination or fantasy's it's ok. and i guess that keeps ***** buisy and awy from the real kids.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 10:13 am
Prizz1989 i get what u mean i have seen hentai wht those genre too redface but as long as it stays as inmagination or fantasy's it's ok. and i guess that keeps ***** buisy and awy from the real kids. Le Prince de Glace ---------------------- XD, Very true. ---------------------- Prince of Ice
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 5:30 pm
I like both loli and shota. sweatdrop Though more shota... But anyway. I see NOTHING wrong with them as long as they're fictional. I can't imagine real life shota/loli. @@; Butuh, yeah.
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:07 pm
i'm not sure if i understand what you are saying fully.
1. if some dude or chick above the legal age is attracted or turned on by a person that isn't real, fictional, then i say they are just lonely and there is nothing wrong at that time, because the person is just, lack of better words, fantasizing. there are cause though where some people with find a non-fictional child who looks like the fictional one and then we might have a predator. for my opinion it depends on if it's a fictional person or non-fictional person.
you guys follow so far?
2. as for the time for the crime thing i believe that if someone becomes a ***** jail time and councleing just won't do really. i mean that they have found a turn on switch for underage love and really that might not be able to get rid of. of most ***** caught in america they get nothing but a slap on the wrist and some jail time. but they are basically like other rapers. put in jail but when they get out they just do it again.
still following? this is a very arguementative subject, based on opinion.
3. the crime rate for underage crimes and such are about half as less as america's. now i'm not saying japan is perfect, but the way the government handles their crimes are very much different than america. and in my opinion the US government is maybe too leaniant. and morals are over rated and based on how one is raised and taught right and wrong.
hope you all followed that okay. biggrin
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Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 7:21 pm
Sir Fluffington Prizz1989 i get what u mean i have seen hentai wht those genre too redface but as long as it stays as inmagination or fantasy's it's ok. and i guess that keeps ***** buisy and awy from the real kids. Le Prince de Glace ---------------------- XD, Very true. ---------------------- Prince of Ice
btw very funny siggy biggrin
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