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 Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 7:24 pm
Now, there has been quite a debate with me and my friends about this film. ME and one believe that the film is actually a Horror. While the other three believe it is just a mere fantasy.
Our argument to the film(Which I seriously need to watch again) is that how all these incedents in the film can be classified enough by the Wicked Witch of the West's sense of evil and the flying monkies are just in a world of their own. Back then, it was so Sinister of how they would fly down and attempt to take in dorothy and her little dog too. There's also the The Wizard himself who had struck fear into the quest when they finally had reached him.
Yes, it's a crappy argument... But all 5 of us plan on watching the film soon to gather a better opinion on the film. But however, we all do agree that a version based on The Todd McFarlane Toyline would be awesome.
What I would like to know from you is, Do you think this film can be considered a horror? And On a side note, would you like a more wicked or twisted version of the film, and if so... Who would you cast in it?
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:07 pm
I always saw the film as a neutered metaphor for the American economy around the 1890's/1900's. After all, that's what Baum's original novel was supposed to be about (except his work keeps its balls). If you just think about the book and changes in the country back then, it all makes sense.
The GOOD witch of the NORTH.....
The WICKED witch of the WEST......
The Scarecrow, a symbol of the farm belt, yearns for an education......
The Tin Man, a symbol of the nation's industry, wants a heart.......
Yellow Brick Road............gold bricks......witch lead to an EMERALD city.......
I could go on and on about this.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:25 pm
The_Wicked_Man I always saw the film as a neutered metaphor for the American economy around the 1890's/1900's. After all, that's what Baum's original novel was supposed to be about. If you just think about the book and changes in the country back then, it all makes sense. The GOOD witch of the NORTH..... The WICKED witch of the WEST...... The Scarecrow, a symbol of the farm belt, yearns for an education...... The Tin Man, a symbol of the nation's industry, wants a heart....... Yellow Brick Road............gold bricks......witch lead to an EMERALD city....... I could go on and on about this. And here I thought it was about Dorothy going on an acid trip.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 8:56 pm
Everything Zen Now, there has been quite a debate with me and my friends about this film. ME and one believe that the film is actually a Horror. While the other three believe it is just a mere fantasy.
Our argument to the film(Which I seriously need to watch again) is that how all these incedents in the film can be classified enough by the Wicked Witch of the West''s sense of evil and the flying monkies are just in a world of their own. Back then, it was so Sinister of how they would fly down and attempt to take in dorothy and her little dog too. There''s also the The Wizard himself who had struck fear into the quest when they finally had reached him.
Yes, it''s a crappy argument... But all 5 of us plan on watching the film soon to gather a better opinion on the film. But however, we all do agree that a version based on The Todd McFarlane Toyline would be awesome.
What I would like to know from you is, Do you think this film can be considered a horror? And On a side note, would you like a more wicked or twisted version of the film, and if so... Who would you cast in it? I don''t think it''s a horror, but it could be. *smiles evily* although I don''t know who I would cast....
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:13 pm
Jeska Synius The_Wicked_Man I always saw the film as a neutered metaphor for the American economy around the 1890's/1900's. After all, that's what Baum's original novel was supposed to be about. If you just think about the book and changes in the country back then, it all makes sense. The GOOD witch of the NORTH..... The WICKED witch of the WEST...... The Scarecrow, a symbol of the farm belt, yearns for an education...... The Tin Man, a symbol of the nation's industry, wants a heart....... Yellow Brick Road............gold bricks......witch lead to an EMERALD city....... I could go on and on about this. And here I thought it was about Dorothy going on an acid trip. That's Alice in Wonderland.
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:37 pm
Jeska Synius The_Wicked_Man I always saw the film as a neutered metaphor for the American economy around the 1890''s/1900''s. After all, that''s what Baum''s original novel was supposed to be about. If you just think about the book and changes in the country back then, it all makes sense. The GOOD witch of the NORTH..... The WICKED witch of the WEST...... The Scarecrow, a symbol of the farm belt, yearns for an education...... The Tin Man, a symbol of the nation''s industry, wants a heart....... Yellow Brick Road............gold bricks......witch lead to an EMERALD city....... I could go on and on about this. And here I thought it was about Dorothy going on an acid trip. it does seem that way... Auntie Em: Oh Dorthy, you just had a bad dream Dorthy: GAWD DAMINIT! Just because I have bound breasts and am on uppers doesn''t mean I''m loony! There was dancing and singing, and choreography... and the whole time, i wanted to come back to this damn, sienna tone farm... what a disapointment to gay men everywhere I must be!
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Posted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:38 pm
Heh, I guess there were few books like that back then.
Now since I'm Todd McFarlane liking kind of guy...I guess I'll put in my casting. Heh, and hopefully get better choices from you for roles.
Dorothy Rose McGowan. She was the first person to pop in my mind. The reason being, She has done a considerable amount of wicked roles such as her character in Charmed. She can be sweet enough for Dorothy but, convincing & proabably willing to do such a dark film... about the wicked sense of style and bondage is always a role people keep away from. I think she would be into it... But then again, people change. But also the fact, that she actually looks good with black hair and could pull off Dorothy's look.
The Lion Scott McNeil. Although I'm not quite sure if he can act... He wouldn't have to worry too much. I Imagine him in a giant puppet suit of this grisly Lion and the voice would be perfect. If you've ever watched The Darkstalkers films, You might know him as Lord Raptor's famous voice. He's also played Wolverine in the show X-Men: Evolution. I could go on for his cool roles... but it's best if you look him up on IMDB. His voice would totally settle in.
The Tin-Man Ralph Fiennes. Now for him and Scarecrow... I had a hard time picking... They would be hard to cast... In my opinion. So, I chose Ralph. Considering the size and harsh look of McFarlane's Tin-Man... Ralph can play a man with no heart but still wanting one inside. Well, at least that's what I got from Red Dragon... A mentally messed up man who killed. That simple.
Scarecrow Steve Buscemi. Always the clutzy and comedic relief of the group. Who other to play this character? I mean hell, Once he gets a brain... Who knows what rants he could finally pull off? The man is the right structure and I'm sure he could pull off the figure in pain while adding in jokes along the way. Heh, Fargo and Reservoir Dogs could explain his mixture of characters here.... Kind of.
The Wizard Anthony Hopkins. This man has it all. He has great narrating abillities... He's done a great job as far as it goes in How The Grinch Stole Christmas. And for his power and dictatorship, look at Nixon. The Film was genius and so was Hopkins... It really showed his rise and fall pretty well. Finally, the man can be sinister. My point being for his role as Hannibal Lector. That explains itself right there really... A Smart man who can be quite the little hellish fiend.
The Good Witch of the North. Anna Faris. Her prescense to me always gave off a sweet and caring notion and you felt safe with her in all the danger. Through the many films of Scary Movie and other horrors... She would fit right in.
Really just a random choice.
The Wicked Witch of the West Sheryl Lee. People might hate this choice but I really stumped myself on who to choose here as well. Heh, she turned out to be a pretty wicked b***h in Vampires near the end and she looks right for the part. Heh, I hope others pick better than me for this part.
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:14 am
Everything Zen Heh, I guess there were few books like that back then.
Now since I'm Todd McFarlane liking kind of guy...I guess I'll put in my casting. Heh, and hopefully get better choices from you for roles.
Dorothy Rose McGowan. She was the first person to pop in my mind. The reason being, She has done a considerable amount of wicked roles such as her character in Charmed. She can be sweet enough for Dorothy but, convincing & proabably willing to do such a dark film... about the wicked sense of style and bondage is always a role people keep away from. I think she would be into it... But then again, people change. But also the fact, that she actually looks good with black hair and could pull off Dorothy's look.
The Lion Scott McNeil. Although I'm not quite sure if he can act... He wouldn't have to worry too much. I Imagine him in a giant puppet suit of this grisly Lion and the voice would be perfect. If you've ever watched The Darkstalkers films, You might know him as Lord Raptor's famous voice. He's also played Wolverine in the show X-Men: Evolution. I could go on for his cool roles... but it's best if you look him up on IMDB. His voice would totally settle in.
The Tin-Man Ralph Fiennes. Now for him and Scarecrow... I had a hard time picking... They would be hard to cast... In my opinion. So, I chose Ralph. Considering the size and harsh look of McFarlane's Tin-Man... Ralph can play a man with no heart but still wanting one inside. Well, at least that's what I got from Red Dragon... A mentally messed up man who killed. That simple.
Scarecrow Steve Buscemi. Always the clutzy and comedic relief of the group. Who other to play this character? I mean hell, Once he gets a brain... Who knows what rants he could finally pull off? The man is the right structure and I'm sure he could pull off the figure in pain while adding in jokes along the way. Heh, Fargo and Reservoir Dogs could explain his mixture of characters here.... Kind of.
The Wizard Anthony Hopkins. This man has it all. He has great narrating abillities... He's done a great job as far as it goes in How The Grinch Stole Christmas. And for his power and dictatorship, look at Nixon. The Film was genius and so was Hopkins... It really showed his rise and fall pretty well. Finally, the man can be sinister. My point being for his role as Hannibal Lector. That explains itself right there really... A Smart man who can be quite the little hellish fiend.
The Good Witch of the North. Anna Faris. Her prescense to me always gave off a sweet and caring notion and you felt safe with her in all the danger. Through the many films of Scary Movie and other horrors... She would fit right in.
Really just a random choice.
The Wicked Witch of the West Sheryl Lee. People might hate this choice but I really stumped myself on who to choose here as well. Heh, she turned out to be a pretty wicked b***h in Vampires near the end and she looks right for the part. Heh, I hope others pick better than me for this part. Sheryl Lee makes a decent Good Witch actually. After all, she already filled the role once in Wild At Heart. If she just tones down the "Laura Palmer" voice a bit, it would be better.
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 7:59 am
Interesting little arguement.
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:13 am
Hmm, who would you guys and gals cast for a wicked Oz?
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Posted: Sat Aug 20, 2005 9:36 am
Everything Zen Hmm, who would you guys and gals cast for a wicked Oz? Alan rickman
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Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 2:45 pm
I dont see this movie as a horror movie....
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:20 am
Its got its moments, but in no way a true 'Horror movie.' The trees were prettty creepy tho.
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:22 am
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Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:41 pm
A mcfarlane version based on the toy line would be awesome?!? L.Frank Baum is spinning in his grave.
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