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I have a question for the males in this guild. Setar, M something I don't want to butcher your name Blade, Kata Samones ......and my mind just went blank. gonk

Do you actually care about every single sperm. Like mourn over it when you lose some?

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THEN WHY IN THE ******** WOULD YOU CARE IF A SINGLE ONE SUDDENLY JOINED WITH AN OVUM? [/Trite's pissed]
You don't care it it joins with spermicide AND DIES.
Or if you lost ten million last night to the evil Mr. Tissue.
OR how about that lost city of Atlantis you have in your undergarments?!?

Don't give me no "but it's a pwecious baby"
NO. IT'S A COUPLE OF CELLS THAT YOU DIDN'T CARE ABOUT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

The last time I checked it's the woman who gets pregnant. Not guys.
And if you're a guy and pregnant, well thats a tad bit creepy imo, but it is the women who have abortions.

I don't know. I can understand how a man might be upset over the loss of potential. Potential doesn't matter in a debate- but it can matter in emotions.

I just know that myself and my fiance have discussed abortion, and while he agrees it's my choice, and that it is a necessity at this point, he doesn't want it to happen, either. I know it would make him upset if I did, even though he'd be strong and support me, I'd have to support him later (or earlier... if something happens that upsets both of us, we tend to take turns being the strong one. Usually I'm the strong one first, cause I tend to have a very long "in shock" period where it doesn't hurt yet).

I guess I can understand why the men are hurt... but not why it suddenly makes them pro-life... and especially not with the guys in the article. All of them, how the ******** did they end up emotionally involved? They just gave the money and left. I can see how it might hurt with a long-term partner, but damn, if you're just giving the money and leaving, how about thinking about your EX, not the fetus with your genetic material? Take care of the living before the unborn! Priorities, gentlemen, priorities. Have you ever thought about that woman who had an abortion? Who may NOT have had one if you had said "I'll be a father"? If I got pregnant after my fiance graduates and has a good job (*crosses fingers*... he graduates in June... I hope he gets a good job), I'd probably want to keep it... but, I'd talk it over with him... and if he left (which he wouldn't), I'd have an abortion, because I'm not ready to do it alone... and that would hurt more than having one now, when I acknowledge the complete lack of readiness on both of our parts.

Gah! I don't even know what I said there anymore.

Well hell, I don't like it when my boyfriend smokes. So rather than just tell him I'm concerned about his health, I'll just join the movement to ban smoking.

Maybe we should get guys involved in the same way on our side now. Let's recuit men who have to pay child support because their girlfriends kept the pregnancy even though these guys didn't want her to.

Just because someone regrets doing something doesn't mean it should be abolished. Some people regret getting married, yet the conservatives generally tell these people to stay together and make it work, because "divorce is a sin." Some people regret having sex too early, and in fact some people even argue that as a reason for raising the age of consent, or banning premarital sex altogether.

That's basically like saying that if something is worth regretting, it should be worth punishing. Do these women who regret having abortions really believe that they should have gone to jail for their actions? They should go back to when they were considering abortion, and wonder how they would have felt if they were unable to get an abortion in the first place. Would they have been angry. Would they still be angry now, knowing they were legally compelled to have the baby whether or not they wanted to? Or would they be happy, knowing the state made the right decision for them?

Really, this whole "I regret it so it should be illegal" is basically blaming someone else for something you regret doing. They regret getting abortions, so they blame the government for letting them get abortions in the first place.

I do have sympathy for women who regret making that decision, but it seems to me like some of these women aren't even taking responsibility for their decisions. Rather than say "I made a bad decision," they say "The government made a bad decision for me"

Or, in the case of these men who want abortion illegal because they regret the decisions their girlfriends made, they're blaming the government for not making the right decision for their girlfriends. Did it ever occur to you that your girlfriend was the one who decided to get the abortion? Why aren't you upset with her for the decision she made? And if you supported, encouraged, or pressured her to get an abortion, why aren't you mad at yourself?

Every sperm is sacred, you know!

But yeah, I'd be in constant mourning if I cared about every single sperm. Seriously, what the ******** is with these guys. If anyone remembers my rant about the "sex education" my Planning 10 class got, how the CPC b***h cited a book called "Forgotten Fathers"? That made me sick. It makes me sick whenever a guy thinks he has the right to forcibly prevent someone he had sex with from aborting. Hell, it makes me sick to see a guy even b***h about it. Men have no excuse to b***h about their partner aborting. Wah wah, I had no say because it's not residing in my body. Grow the ******** up or find a partner who wants a kid. This isn't the 1950s, you do not have the right to force your partner to have a child if they don't want one.



I support men being able to sign their parental rights away, and I even have a hypothetical system to prevent abuse. It requires a bit of paperwork, though. However, a woman should not be able to force a man into parenthood or child support, much like a man cannot force a woman into parenthood. Rights do not only go one way, and supporting abortion while not supporting the man being able to sign off parenthood is not feminism, as that's not gender equality. Besides, the man signing off parental rights may be a reason for the woman to reconsider her decision, which is why the time limit for the man being able to sign off his rights (if he is duly notified) should be about 16 weeks, to give the woman time to reconsider and possibly abort.

How does it work? Here's how it goes:

The woman gets pregnant. She notifies her partner that she is pregnant. Her partner or her simply has to go down to the nearest human services office (or whatever it's called where you live) and pick up the correct form to fill out and sign. The form must be returned before the woman is 16 weeks pregnant.

If the father is not notified until after 16 weeks for whatever reason, he has 60 days after notification to sign off his rights. If the woman gives birth and the father is located, he will be exempt from child support payments if he decides to sign off, however, once again, he has 60 days to sign off after he is notified. The reason for exemption is to prevent abuse - the woman can't hold off on paternity for a few years then notify the man for back payments if he wants to sign off.

Any disputes should be settled in family court, where lying on the form would be punishable by a charge of perjury, such as if the woman lied about the gestational age in order to attempt to nullify the form or give the father insufficient time to read the form, make his decision, fill out the form and return it to the government office.

However, signing off parental rights will not just be exemption of child support. It will carry the same restrictions that relinquishing custody would. If necessary, the woman may also seek a restraining order.

Convicted rapists will not be allowed to sign their rights off as part of their sentence. If the woman aborts, the rapist should pay the full cost of the abortion as part of his sentence. If the woman decides to have the child, the rapist should have custody and visitation revoked under a restraining order against him (which should be mandatory on all rape cases after release), however, as part of his sentence, he should be responsible to pay child support payments in full if and when he is able to after his release.

I can see it from their point of view about not being part of the decision process, however I also see an equal amount of males who complain about their girlfriend/fiance/FWB that got pregnant, ran off because she was pregnant and then complained about her getting an abortion. I just see this article as a way to get attention, not to bring attention to the other involved parties' decisions.

OP- you're right, these men WOULD be complaining about tied down and probably physically and/or psychologically harming the child they did not plan to procreate and the mother also.

And our sex ed classes actually taught girls that it was their fault they got pregnant. If I ever dig out the booklet we got in 5th grade sex-ed, I will scan it (we're moving right now and going through alot of boxes that are in the old house so we might find it)

Oh of that I have no doubt. I just hope that the readers won't take from this story that all men grow up to be religious figures (and lawyers) that all regret their girlfriends decisions. Some just don't give a ******** and while the militant pro-life and far-right wingers don't show that, I would hope the media would.

Although I'm not under the allusion that it will ever happen.

Things that people regret:

• Marriage
  
• Children
  
• Drinking
  
• Smoking
  
• An extra dessert
  
• Eating greasy foods
  
• Renting an expensive house
  
• Buying an expensive house
  
• Getting in a girlfriend/boyfriend
  
• Telling someone off
  
• Quitting their job
  
• Moving
  
• Watching bad movies
  
• Taking a specific course in school
  
• Sex

Looks like all these things need to be made illegal. After all, people regret it.