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It is not really a necessity as much as it to help people have a sense of self. It necessity over all to have something the ties all people together in order for the world to keep going on as is. Other wise we'll just brake back down into small family groups where only the powerful can live. The idea of a higher power greater than yourself and any other human adds safely and order to the world. The ones in power are safe in knowledge that those under them will act one way over another because of this power and at the same time those without power are safe in the idea that is higher power will act on their behalf in if those in power don't do the right things. For the common man and everyday life this is it in a nutshell.

But if you are specking on a personal level than each person is going to give you a different answer as to why and how.

As for me, it is do to the fact that I died a number of times and was aways forced back to live. I seen some of the things that come after death, and despite the fact that I didn't want to come back they keep sending me back away. You have the remember the mind is nothing but energy, so where dose that energy goes when your death comes. The law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.

P.s. In the all the times I've dead I've never seen a tunnel or a bright light at the end of it. And before someone says that means I'm going to Hell, I'll just to tell you went there twice and was kicked out twice. The demons don't like it when you make fun of them and it turns out you are more evil than they are.

ha, a timeless question

it is unfortunate that the answer you seek will never be found in a chatroom

besides,we all think and feel differently so you will never find a satisfactory answer that is not your own.

but not to diverge from your question,

it is the vast unknown that blinds our view
we are afraid of what we do not know and that is human nature
there is no readily available way of knowing if anything matters
and thus belief comes in

maybe there is a god maybe not

in all religions the god(s) care and love their "creations"

thus clinging to the hope of more than they can see
such is syphisses

he is damned to push a rock up a hill for eternity and hopes to get to the top yet he cant see and the only way is to push the rock up the hill
and so he pushes till the end of "endless"time

not allowed to see the end he can only suffer. (from roman mythology)

this may very well be humanitys fate but any number of solutions is possible. or is it? it is a question not to be taken so lightly

Maybe it's something like. You become Goverment, then you run for president. You start a war and when. You seem in high power too everyone.

Example:
Hitler

And where in the hell did you come up with that? Dude you are one sick person and need some help if you think about that kind of stuff. And is more of a twisted perversion than it is evil.


lol , nice pc scientific answer. I already knew all of that stuff by the time I was in 5th grade from taking bio and having nurses and doctors for friends. You miss the whole point I was making. And that point was if there is such a thing as a spirit/soul than how do you test for one, and if there is such a thing than what happens to it? It was an attempt to get people think of other things besides gods, for example some people believe in a universal consciousness in which all thoughts and feeling are source of and that every living being is linked to the universal consciousness. I only used the word mind because everyone believes in a mind but not everyone believes in things like spirits and souls.

rofl You like to take the things I say literally. Let me make it easier for you. Don't take everything I say literally, because I often speck in metaphors and analogies to help teach people. I've learn over the years if you make it so people come to the right answer on their own they tend to remember it better than if someone just give them the answer. With me it is a better idea to read between lines and look for the underlining meaning I trying to point people to without giving them the answer.

rofl let me guess you are a kids right or at lest have a child like view of the world. True evil is the ability to twist the minds of those around you and corrupt them. How is the things you said corrupting people, other than giving them disturbing images? Unless you are able to turn others and are able to corrupt them it is not truly evil, and you can't force someone to be evil you must make it so that they want to be evil. But that is also two way road because you can also turn evil into good. To be truly evil you need to be able to corrupt others just like being truly good you to be able to purify others. And going by many different holy books they state in one way or another that humans in truth do have more power than angels and demons with the ability to commend/control them. I don't just study science and also study faith, sense this topic is about mostly faith I used science in help explain faith.

For example, The law of conservation of energy states that energy can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another. At the same time reincarnation states that consciousness can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.

Do see where I was point to now?

I'll repeat the thing I said to you in another topic.

In this this topic the main sciences I was trying to link faith to are psychology and sociology. Because if this topic is to be a real debate and hold true then we must look at all points of view and talk about things that may effect the minds and behavior of people.

Note that the idea of reincarnation was known long before the law of conservation of energy was made. Meaning that idea of that law was known long before modern science was made. If you look at different faiths and look at science you come across a lot of parallels.

Ok, fair enough, but that is not what I commented on. The fact that I haven't commented on those parts of your first post should tell you that I have nothing major against them.

The part where I have a difference with you is:


The 'idea' of the law was not contained in the idea of reincarnation, and your explanation of how the two fit to gether seems a rather ad hoc affair.
You said earlier that in the idea of reincarnation consciousness can not be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.
Now, stated like this it can seem rather like the conservation laws. But this is not all there is to it. If one were to accept the idea of an immortal soul being placed in a new body upon the death of the current body, then it would be the same conciousness present in each of those bodies, just knowing itself to a greater or lesser degree. In the conservation laws however, not all of the energy from something goes to one thing, and not all the energy in one thing comes from another, eg: not all the energy contained in a grain of rice comes from one molecule of CO2 and not all the energy from that one molecule goes into one grain of rice.

One could illustrate the difference between the two ideas by saying that the conservation laws picture the universe as a tub of lego: each of the pieces goes together to make something at one time or another, and everything that is made is eventually taken apart and the bricks go on to make other things. The reincarnation idea sees souls as groups of lego: they can be moved around within the group, but each group has its own identity, being built up and taken apart. All different types of things made, but with the same tiny group of bricks, each group can interact, but never mix.
That is, unless you are a scientologist.

So the idea was not actually long known in the form you imagine. Descrates was the originator in the west, and I am sure one could find a decent buddhist understanding of the same principle, but not in the idea of reincarnation.

Similarity =/= Identity.


That is fine, you can give all the different opinions you want inside your post and have them argue with each other, I on the other hand will stick with debating the point that I feel is true against the ones I feel false.