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 Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:18 pm
i think the biggest bust was Jamarcis Russle because he holds out for heka long. he gets in the game in the last two games and he has a whole bunch of turnovers and he had on 1 td. i think hes the biggest BUST of the season. who do you think it is.
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:29 pm
How can he be the biggest bust of the whole season?
Russel only played 3 games, and started one game. Also, you can't call a rookie a bust until after about 3 years, especially when he hasn't played a full season, and started one game (like Alex Smith, whom who can call a bust).
Biggest bust for me this season is probably Frank Gore, Reggie Bush, Carson Palmer, Larry Johnson, Steve Smith, Marc Bulger, or the Bears' defense.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 6:42 am
Alex Smith is not a bust. He never had a chance to succeed. Three different offensive coordinators in three years, only one of which was even good, bad receivers, bad offensive line, poor coaching. The one season he was given any kind of help, last season, he did okay.
I assume that you mean the NFL draft, not the fantasy draft, so I go with Jamaal Anderson from the Falcons. He started all 16 games and recorded only 30 tackles and 0 sacks
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 1:32 pm
abaddon41_80 Alex Smith is not a bust. He never had a chance to succeed. Three different offensive coordinators in three years, only one of which was even good, bad receivers, bad offensive line, poor coaching. The one season he was given any kind of help, last season, he did okay. I assume that you mean the NFL draft, not the fantasy draft, so I go with Jamaal Anderson from the Falcons. He started all 16 games and recorded only 30 tackles and 0 sacks Passer rating does not include sacks. His career passer rating is like below 60...
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:41 pm
But if you have a bad offensive line you are not going to have time to throw and your passer rating will be lower.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 4:37 pm
Dude-LAP How can he be the biggest bust of the whole season? Russel only played 3 games, and started one game. Also, you can't call a rookie a bust until after about 3 years, especially when he hasn't played a full season, and started one game (like Alex Smith, whom who can call a bust). Biggest bust for me this season is probably Frank Gore, Reggie Bush, Carson Palmer, Larry Johnson, Steve Smith, Marc Bulger, or the Bears' defense. Still i exspected alot more out of him from a 1 pick sweatdrop i nother bust was Rex Grossmen i thought he was going to be better than this D:
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:57 pm
knight_ man08 Dude-LAP How can he be the biggest bust of the whole season? Russel only played 3 games, and started one game. Also, you can't call a rookie a bust until after about 3 years, especially when he hasn't played a full season, and started one game (like Alex Smith, whom who can call a bust). Biggest bust for me this season is probably Frank Gore, Reggie Bush, Carson Palmer, Larry Johnson, Steve Smith, Marc Bulger, or the Bears' defense. Still i exspected alot more out of him from a 1 pick sweatdrop i nother bust was Rex Grossmen i thought he was going to be better than this D: It is extremely rare to see a rookie QB start his first game and become successful. When you have a guy like Culpepper come in, who's proved himself to be great in this league, you give him the week 1 starting job because he has experience. Also, Russel wasn't even signed until like week four into the season. Anyways, he should be emerging as a good starting QB within the next few seasons. Also, yea, Rex Grossman has always been a bust. I think he's been in this league for 5 years. He isn't that accurate, and he fumbles and throws interceptions more often then not...
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 5:59 pm
Dude-LAP knight_ man08 Dude-LAP How can he be the biggest bust of the whole season? Russel only played 3 games, and started one game. Also, you can't call a rookie a bust until after about 3 years, especially when he hasn't played a full season, and started one game (like Alex Smith, whom who can call a bust). Biggest bust for me this season is probably Frank Gore, Reggie Bush, Carson Palmer, Larry Johnson, Steve Smith, Marc Bulger, or the Bears' defense. Still i exspected alot more out of him from a 1 pick sweatdrop i nother bust was Rex Grossmen i thought he was going to be better than this D: It is extremely rare to see a rookie QB start his first game and become successful. When you have a guy like Culpepper come in, who's proved himself to be great in this league, you give him the week 1 starting job because he has experience. Also, Russel wasn't even signed until like week four into the season. Anyways, he should be emerging as a good starting QB within the next few seasons. Also, yea, Rex Grossman has always been a bust. I think he's been in this league for 5 years. He isn't that accurate, and he fumbles and throws interceptions more often then not... To answer your question though, there is no such thing as a draft bust, as you need a few more years to see how the player grows. If you want to know a draft mistake, it's might have been picking Ted Ginn Jr. # 5 overall (which is why the Dolphins GM got fired...).
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:21 pm
As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows?
As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor:
Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks.
Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety.
The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)).
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 3:56 pm
Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 7:53 pm
Dude-LAP Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player. i know another..... and still beleave in this as a bust REX GROSSMEN! i always thought Kyle Orton was better
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 8:14 pm
knight_ man08 Dude-LAP Da Big Ram As far as a draft bust is concerned, yes, Russell may be considered one of them. But, I personally don't think he's the biggest bust. He only played in 3 games and started one, and we all knew that his holdout would affect his playing time. Is he the future of the Raiders? Who knows? As far as the biggest busts in the draft class of '07, I would have to say 2 people and one position would qualify for that honor: Jamaal Anderson, DE, Atlanta, 8th pick. With the loss of All-Pro Patrick Kerney to Seattle, Atlanta needed a replacement and they thought they'd get it with Anderson. Not a chance. He only had 30 tackles on the season and no sacks. Adam Carriker, DE, St. Louis, 13th pick. Many people thought that he would be the next Grant Wistrom, the All-Pro DE who came out of Nebraska in the '98 Draft. The result is not quite the same. Carriker only tallied 30 tackles and 2 sacks, though one was for a safety. The early round WR's (with the exception of Dwayne Bowe and Calvin Johnson). Scouts were thrilled with the amount of WR talent that was in the draft last year from Calvin Johnson to Dwayne Jarrett to Robert Meachem. The end result was that Bowe led all rookie receivers (955 yds, 5 TDs), Johnson was 2nd (740 yds, 4 TDs), Anthony Gonzalez was 3rd (576 yds, 3 TDs in Harrison's absence) and the others just sort of vanished (Ted Ginn, Jr., Dwayne Jarrett, Robert Meachem, Craig Davis, Sidney Rice, and Steve Smith (NYG) combined for 1140 yds, 7 TDs (4 to Rice)). I still think that you cannot judge a rookie player as a "bust." The selection may have been a bust, but not the player overall. That takes at least a few years to tell. ...But of those Defensive Ends, you mentioned, you never know. Take, for example, Mario Williams. The Texans could have easily had Vince Young or Reggie Bush, but they took Mario #1 overall in 2006. Many people thought that it was a huge mistake, but it is starting to pay off. 4th in the league with 14 sacks, and a commanding size with great speed. Yes, Bush and Young are continuing to shine, and should have pretty good careers (although I think either of those players may have fit in better @ Houston). Many considered Mario Williams, not the #1 selection, to be the bust, but now, he is turning into a Pro-Bowl type player. i know another..... and still beleave in this as a bust REX GROSSMEN! i always thought Kyle Orton was better Well Rex Grossman isn't a rookie, but is totally a bust. He's been in this league for like 4 years, and hasn't really gotten anywhere. He hasn't had a good offensive line or receivers, but here's a stat...If I remember correctly, I think that it's like an average of 15 snaps for Rex Grossman to either fumble or throw an interception. He also has a bad time managing the offense.
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 9:03 pm
okay im a Raiders fan and by the way RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!!!okay so where was i...yeah i think the biggest draft bust was when the Raiders drafted Micheal Huff.we couldve gotten a QB like Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler instead of payin like $60 million on J-Marc.well we gotta make huge and i mean HUGE improvements to the O-line,D-line,Safeties,and maybe WR.the O-line improved from last year but it still struggles.the D-line got worse this year and its gonna get even more worse knowin that Warren Sapp is retiring.we gotta improve our roster this offseason.and we gotta get a new Defensive coordinator cuz we fired Rob Ryan and he plans on goin to the Jets anyways.wat if we got Rex Ryan?that would be cool.he made the Ravens defense famous.look at their players on defense.Ed Reed,Chris McAllister,Ray Lewis,Haloti Ngata,and more players that are good on that defense.if he made them great on defense look at what he can make our defense look like?we have Nnamdi Asoumugha,Thomas Howard,Kirk Morrison,Tommy Kelly,Stanford Routt,Fabian Washington,Michael Huff(who i still think is a draft bust but i hope he proves me wrong next season)and hopefully we get better players in the offseason.oh yeah and for our offense.we need a deep threat type of WR for J-Marc to throw to but the only way that can happen is if our O-line is protecting him.we can get that Alan Faneca guy cuz i heard he was gonna be a free agent or we can prolly get someone good in the draft.but people keep arguin about whether we should get an O-lineman or D-lineman.i heard that Chris Long was gonna be in the draft.hes Howie Long's son.hmmmmm of we do draft him i hope he plays like his father but i havent seen the guy play.well we will just have to wait and see what happens.RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 11:43 am
Dude-LAP How can he be the biggest bust of the whole season? Russel only played 3 games, and started one game. Also, you can't call a rookie a bust until after about 3 years, especially when he hasn't played a full season, and started one game (like Alex Smith, whom who can call a bust). Biggest bust for me this season is probably Frank Gore, Reggie Bush, Carson Palmer, Larry Johnson, Steve Smith, Marc Bulger, or the Bears' defense. Gore maybe if he didn't get injured he would get more yards. Russel only played for three games(and in one game he has one TD) that is laughable because I like the Raider if they didn't spend too much money on his a**.
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Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:47 pm
anthonie the suns fan okay im a Raiders fan and by the way RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!!!okay so where was i...yeah i think the biggest draft bust was when the Raiders drafted Micheal Huff.we couldve gotten a QB like Matt Leinart or Jay Cutler instead of payin like $60 million on J-Marc.well we gotta make huge and i mean HUGE improvements to the O-line,D-line,Safeties,and maybe WR.the O-line improved from last year but it still struggles.the D-line got worse this year and its gonna get even more worse knowin that Warren Sapp is retiring.we gotta improve our roster this offseason.and we gotta get a new Defensive coordinator cuz we fired Rob Ryan and he plans on goin to the Jets anyways.wat if we got Rex Ryan?that would be cool.he made the Ravens defense famous.look at their players on defense.Ed Reed,Chris McAllister,Ray Lewis,Haloti Ngata,and more players that are good on that defense.if he made them great on defense look at what he can make our defense look like?we have Nnamdi Asoumugha,Thomas Howard,Kirk Morrison,Tommy Kelly,Stanford Routt,Fabian Washington,Michael Huff(who i still think is a draft bust but i hope he proves me wrong next season)and hopefully we get better players in the offseason.oh yeah and for our offense.we need a deep threat type of WR for J-Marc to throw to but the only way that can happen is if our O-line is protecting him.we can get that Alan Faneca guy cuz i heard he was gonna be a free agent or we can prolly get someone good in the draft.but people keep arguin about whether we should get an O-lineman or D-lineman.i heard that Chris Long was gonna be in the draft.hes Howie Long's son.hmmmmm of we do draft him i hope he plays like his father but i havent seen the guy play.well we will just have to wait and see what happens.RAIDER NATION!!!!!!!!!! The Raiders have a very good secondary, a strong group of running backs, a QB with a lot of potential (Russel), and great fans... sweatdrop that's about it sweatdrop ...They really need to get a better offensive line, and stack up their linebacker core. Also, a good go-to receiver or tight end needs to be recruited in the draft or traded for.
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