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Taang shippers, I'm callin' you out! (Discussion, not rant.)

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Butterfly Nebula
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:32 pm


I'd like to think I'm a fair-minded person. I give most things a chance.

However, I have been admittedly unfair to one pairing in particular: Taang. Most pairings, I shrug and go, "Whatever," but with Taang I never really gave it a chance... This was probably do to my rabid shipping of Tokka and acceptance of Kataang as an eventuality.

SO. Here's YOUR chance to defend Taang.

Tell me WHY you like it. Tell me WHY you chose Taang as your ship-of-choice. Tell me WHY you giggle like a little school girl every time Taang hints come up.

From my experience, here are the main reasons why people like Taang:
a)Opposite elements, opposites attract. (That's a rant for another time...)
b)Same age.
c)Aang enabled Toph to leave home, was her first real friend.
d)Outer shipping influences. (Zutara and Sukka, especially.)

To me, these seem like somewhat flippant reasons, but HEY, that's just me. Plus, what do I know? There are likely other reasons why Taang is actively shipped.

So, please enlighten me, o Taangers: what compels you to ship Aang and Toph together?

If nothing else, this will help me to understand the enemy better.
...I've been watching too much FMP and Fumoffu.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 10:52 am


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Hah. You know I ship both Taang and Tokka, so I'm kindof not the best person to give you inside information on the Taangian mind... but here goes.

I ship Toph and Aang together simply for the following reasons. They're about the same age. They're about the same maturity level. They have really, really good dialogs and interactions. Both have mega-impacts on each other, even just as friends. I won't go into any of the corny s**t about how Toph "completes" Aang and whatnot, nor will I breach upon the subject of element at all. As personalities go, they are different and similar in all the right places.

Wow. That really didn't make much sense. Ehh, whatever. That's my garbled Taang rant for the day.


(Did you know Taang is also the name of a records company? Learn something new every day. I less-than three you, google. )


Itinerant
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Butterfly Nebula
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:50 am


Taang, it's a kick in the face a glass!

I am so relieved you didn't go into the 'opposite elements' thing because I think I might have slapped you. Using elements as a tool in relationship-matching is like saying, "Hm, yeah, she's Indian and he's white... they go great together because they're so different!" It's so DUMB. Dx I mean... okay, YES, to an extent, people are shaped by their country/surroundings, but how would being from different backgrounds contribute to compatibility?

And I vaguely accept your reasons. There aren't that really piss me off or make no sense. (This is why I love discussing with you, Seira, you're NOT fcking crazy.) Those work well as friendly reasons too, BUT HEY, that holds true for most ships.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 5:28 pm


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Yeah. Most ship arguments would work in both a platonic fashion as well as a romantic one.

I don't think that either Taang or Tokka could ever become canon, personally. I say this about Taang because there isn't enough time for Aang to ditch his retarded crush on Katara and replace it with one for Toph. As for Tokka, the only way it's possible is if Suki is dead. I don't think there's enough time in the series for Sokka to recover from the news of Suki's death and develop a "thing" for Toph.

Fanon prevails.



Itinerant
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Butterfly Nebula
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:45 am


There's this artist on devART, swan-swan. He specializes in Maiko fan-art, hence why I watch him. Recently, he's been doing a series of essays on shipping. Mostly, arguing Maiko and such, but yesterday-ish (maybe the day before) he did one discussing Tokka and Sukka.

He reached a conclusion which I hadn't seriously considered: Toph filling the quota for 'unrequited love'.
As a writer, I think it's brilliant. As a shipper and a fan, it's depressing but acceptable. I mean, it's true that Toph would be able to cope with not 'getting' Sokka. She's very strong and not emotionally dependent on him.

Read it here. It's HELLA LONG but it is very well-written and explores the general Tokka vs. Sukka situation very well.

(Hee, guess who wrote the first comment?? xD)

This has near-nothing to do with Taang, but since we're discussing Tokka a wee bit here, I thought I might bring it up.

(If you want to read the essays on Maiko, Zutara, and Kataang, you can sort through his other journals to find them.)
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:36 am


I'm going to put a little grain of salt here and say: Age difference/similarity doesn't prove or disprove anything. It's more about the mental maturity of the people involved than just the number of times they've gone around the sun. Now, there are infinite different scenarios in real life, but it's a little bit more straightforward with fictional characters.

To put it blatantly, in real life, anyone with enough maturity can hook up with anyone whose level of maturity interests them (In a kind of idealistic way, because of course, there are mentally unstable people and ***** and general psychos); in short, it's completely plausible for a thirteen years old to hook up with a seventeen years old (It might not be in your taste, but who is with who -as long a it’s consensual- is not really your business). Though with teenagers, it can get to be more superficial than that, but I'm not taking that into account right now, because the social environment in which IRL people live is different than that of the show.

For the show, the basic of that is applied, coupled with the current situation and culture, and made subjective by the fact that the characters are open for interpretation (because of course the characters aren’t going to be as complex as real people). That’s from a shipping point of view; who ends up with who is completely up to the creators.

In conclusion “They’re the same age, LOLZ :B” or "He/she is to old for him/her DUURR" is not enough of a good argument.

Lemon M.


Butterfly Nebula
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:16 am


I know Lemon. -_- Unfortunately it's a point maaaany people stick to.

As far as maturity goes, it's weird with Sokka and Toph... both are mature and yet immature.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:34 pm


I woke up not that long ago so let's see if I can remember everything I was hoping to write.

First of all, age and opposite elements, skip them. Those are weak arguments when they stand alone anyway otherwise one could "justify" Hama x Iroh. Age doesn't play that much of a factor to me with shippings unless there is a major age difference (for example, Toph x Iroh).
Now on to what I can remember.

Toph became an instant favorite for me which probably helped in my supporting Taang from the get-go.

My major reason for supporting Taang has to deal with Aang freeing Toph from her secluded life. She was being overprotected and considered helpless by her family and her teacher. Her only outlet at the time was when she was the Blind Bandit. Still, she was stuck with only two settings: being the powerful Blind Bandit in the Arena or the helpless daughter at home. When Aang came along, she finally had an opening to leave and explore the world. More importantly, she now had a reason. Let's face it, Toph could have left home and the arena in a heartbeat but what would she do after that? Because of Aang, Toph now had a reason to leave which I believe gave them a strong connection at the start.
I would also like to point out that because of Aang giving Toph the option to leave, Toph had to decide between giving up everything and entering the unknown or she could have stayed and lived the life she knew. She made her decision and Aang won.

Another reason I support Taang is a small scene in the Blind Bandit episode. Aang is ready to leave and Toph's parents have discovered her secret but won't let her leave. Toph is sad that her parents still won't let her go. If you watch all of Season 2 and what we have seen of Season 3, that is that only time Toph has ever said Aang's name instead of Twinkle Toes. That is also the only time I recall Toph crying. I am pretty confident in this "fact" about her nickname for Aang but there is still a chance I could be wrong. If there were times when Toph said Aang's name and not his nickname, see when she said it. If it was in a battle, of course Toph would say Aang instead of Twinkle Toes. In those situations anyone would be dealing with their instinct to survive, not romance, and skip the longer nickname when giving advice/commands/info. To me, her giving and using a nickname on Aang is like the classic elementry school "tuck on the pigtails" sort of romance. You do it but you don't know why until much later.

My third reason deals with a greater degree of speculation than the other two and does go into the realm of "opposites attract." The opposites in this case are there personalities. In short, Aang is an easily amused, fun-loving, clean-living kid and Toph is a "sophisticated" child with a quick-temper and one or two dirty tricks up her sleeve. Overall, to be the Avatar, Aang needs to grow up a little and become more mature. Toph needs to calm down, sit back, and play like a child again. Both Aang and Toph can learn and have learned to do some of that after hanging out with each other. I believe that if the two of them were somehow separated from the group momentarily, they would grow and develop more because of each other.

Now because I know some people will say, "Toph is like that around Sokka," I do have something to fight back with. Toph and Sokka DO have similarities in their personalities. To me, some of them seem too similar. True, they get along quite nicely and there are times when Toph/Sokka will do something funny and the other will take the cue and follow appropriately. They would make a fun comedy duo. However, Toph is still acts like her old self around Sokka and doesn't really grow. Ever since she meet Aang, she learned to calm down, understand how her teaching skills need to adjust (and thus look at how she does things), and to have fun without having to smash someone all the time.
One argument people could make here is who helped Toph learn to open up more to people? Aang or Sokka?

And that is my argument for Taang.

Mage Negi
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Lemon M.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 7:10 pm


Butterfly Nebula
I know Lemon. -_- Unfortunately it's a point maaaany people stick to.

As far as maturity goes, it's weird with Sokka and Toph... both are mature and yet immature.


I know D: and it drives me up the wall. I wrote that to see if someone would try to counter it, but the thread hasn't really started to pick up yet.

Yeah, they're really immature at times. But if that rises problems in their relationship, it's unrelated to the age thing, since Sokka hasn't one looked down on her for being younger, ever :D

On a not so unrelated note, the artist in the link you provided said that Rufftoon has tokka drawings in a different site. I checked her personal site, but didn't find them. Do you have any idea where that other site could be? D:
PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:40 pm


Lemon: Hm, I dunno. Whatever's up is what's there. Maybe check the scraps?
I know, that's one of the little things about Toph and Sokka's relationship (even friendly) that I like: although Toph is small, young, and blind, Sokka never seems to even realize it, and thinks of her as strong. She IS obviously, but... y'know. His obliviousness makes me happy.

Negi: Hm. Let me think for a moment, sir. *delves into Tokka VS Taang directory in mind*

(By the way, Toph has cried on two other occasions that I can recall: Tales of Ba Sing Se with Katara, and The Runaway with Sokka.)

As far as, "Who helped Toph open up more," there are (obviously) two sides to this argument.

Here's my point-of-view on the whole thing.

While it is true that Aang was the one to make Toph join the Gaang, I believe that at this current time in the plot, Aang isn't the one she is closest to. Think about it; she's opened up to Katara and Sokka, but the only time she's opened up to Aang was when she first met him, and she hadn't gotten a chance to know him. She took a gamble with her path in life, but, ultimately, Aang wasn't her chief motivation: it was a desire for freedom and choice. While it is true that she has a bond with Aang because of their initial bonding, I think that the long-term bonding with the other members of the Gaang (chiefly Sokka in my arguments) has made her closer to them than with Aang.

Another thing, on the flip-side of the closeness of the members of the ships: Who is more open to Toph? I think Aang's found a good strong support in Katara, and doesn't really open up to Toph much. Sokka, on the other hand, has opened up to Toph, with something he'd never told anyone before. Although it isn't an EXTENSIVE list, I think Sokka considers Toph closer than Aang does.

I will concede to accept your arguments of Aang 'calming Toph down' and the thing with 'Twinkletoes' (reflectively, she doesn't call Sokka 'Snoozles' nearly as much).

Butterfly Nebula
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Mage Negi
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 5:39 pm


Butterfly Nebula
(By the way, Toph has cried on two other occasions that I can recall: Tales of Ba Sing Se with Katara, and The Runaway with Sokka.)

Cry "Visible tears" or Cry "Just rubbing my eyes"?
Anyway, you proved me wrong there.

Butterfly Nebula
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While it is true that Aang was the one to make Toph join the Gaang, I believe that at this current time in the plot, Aang isn't the one she is closest to. (and more)

Another thing, on the flip-side of the closeness of the members of the ships: Who is more open to Toph? (and more)

Very good point on all parts. As much as I hate to say it, Toph is more open to Sokka than Aang. I'm blaming that on her crush with Sokka. Likewise I admit Sokka is more open to Toph than Aang is open to her.
Switching gears for a moment and talking about Tokka, what I think is the big defining question is if Sokka is opening up to Toph because he sees her as a possible love interest or as a little sister.

Right now with the way things are right now, I'm a hopeful Taang fan. I am well aware of Toph's... crush *bites tongue* and Aang mostly focusing on Katara but I'm hoping for it in the long run.
PostPosted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:00 pm


Honestly Negi, I'm not hoping too much on Tokka happening in the show. I'm thinking maybe, MAYBE it'll happen in an epilogue, and that's only if Suki has moved on from Sokka, or they broke up, or she died. I agree whole-heartedly that Sokka doesn't like Toph *like that*, which is really too bad, but I'm not going to make up some BS to try and prove it.

I think, if Tokka does happen, it'll happen later. The two of them will grow up and be close buddies, and at some point they'll realize what they have.

But with 12 year-old Toph and 16 year-old Sokka? No.

Butterfly Nebula
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smaydak90

PostPosted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 10:14 am


Toph can handle Aang better than any other character. I mean Katara can mother him, but Toph can get him to do things. Plus there isn't an age difference between them. I just like them together better...plus I'm a Zutara supporter!
PostPosted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:18 pm


I'll say I don't ship Taang. It just feels like Zutara's kid brother. It's the "Oh Aang can have Toph" mindset that makes it unattractive in my eyes. Taang doesn't get enough recognition as itself as a ship.

Also the vibe that they are just friends is given off. We can go on about their age and opposites attract but that doesn't really matter seeing as they both have eyes for the water tribe.

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