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 Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:33 am
There is good and bad that comes with evolution. There are good things and bad things to come out of each Gen. that carry on to the next and become standard. Discuss the good things and bad things of this gen. so far that you want and don't want to carry on to next-gen. Also what do you think are the positives and negatives so far of the gaming evolution.
Somethings to discuss whether they are good are bad:
Online Gaming
Rock Band/Guitar Hero craze
Motion Sensing
HD Gaming
etc..
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:01 am
One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:10 am
Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a good point.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:14 am
Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a very good point you just made there, Griggle990! One thing I've noticed is how a good number of developers are constantly trying to make the most realistic looking game available (graphics-wise), but rarely ever to we see games with artistic styles such as Okami & ICO ever hit the mainstream. Might it be possible that gaming consoles won't heat up as badly when they wouldn't have to handle such high expectations of realism, and more of a form of art?
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:20 am
Fragments of Memories Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a very good point you just made there, Griggle990! One thing I've noticed is how a good number of developers are constantly trying to make the most realistic looking game available (graphics-wise), but rarely ever to we see games with artistic styles such as Okami & ICO ever hit the mainstream. Might it be possible that gaming consoles won't heat up as badly when they wouldn't have to handle such high expectations of realism, and more of a form of art?
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:24 am
The Death Blues Mix Fragments of Memories Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a very good point you just made there, Griggle990! One thing I've noticed is how a good number of developers are constantly trying to make the most realistic looking game available (graphics-wise), but rarely ever to we see games with artistic styles such as Okami & ICO ever hit the mainstream. Might it be possible that gaming consoles won't heat up as badly when they wouldn't have to handle such high expectations of realism, and more of a form of art? Even still, you could just consider it a logical experiment, could you not? 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:45 am
Fragments of Memories The Death Blues Mix Fragments of Memories Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a very good point you just made there, Griggle990! One thing I've noticed is how a good number of developers are constantly trying to make the most realistic looking game available (graphics-wise), but rarely ever to we see games with artistic styles such as Okami & ICO ever hit the mainstream. Might it be possible that gaming consoles won't heat up as badly when they wouldn't have to handle such high expectations of realism, and more of a form of art? Even still, you could just consider it a logical experiment, could you not? 3nodding Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:55 am
Griggle990 Fragments of Memories The Death Blues Mix Fragments of Memories Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a very good point you just made there, Griggle990! One thing I've noticed is how a good number of developers are constantly trying to make the most realistic looking game available (graphics-wise), but rarely ever to we see games with artistic styles such as Okami & ICO ever hit the mainstream. Might it be possible that gaming consoles won't heat up as badly when they wouldn't have to handle such high expectations of realism, and more of a form of art? Even still, you could just consider it a logical experiment, could you not? 3nodding Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating).
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:03 am
Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Fragments of Memories The Death Blues Mix Fragments of Memories Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. That's a very good point you just made there, Griggle990! One thing I've noticed is how a good number of developers are constantly trying to make the most realistic looking game available (graphics-wise), but rarely ever to we see games with artistic styles such as Okami & ICO ever hit the mainstream. Might it be possible that gaming consoles won't heat up as badly when they wouldn't have to handle such high expectations of realism, and more of a form of art? Even still, you could just consider it a logical experiment, could you not? 3nodding Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating). Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:08 am
Griggle990 Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Fragments of Memories The Death Blues Mix Blame the market and not the devs. Even still, you could just consider it a logical experiment, could you not? 3nodding Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating). Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:10 am
HistoryWak Griggle990 Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Fragments of Memories The Death Blues Mix Blame the market and not the devs. Even still, you could just consider it a logical experiment, could you not? 3nodding Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating). Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:28 am
Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating). Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:31 am
Griggle990 Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Now I am all for of today's advanced graphics, but the hardware needs to catchup. Thats why each gneration should be 10 years apart. Now I understand that a 10 year old console might get boring after a while. But that will leave Nvidia, and Intel to make new powerful hardware that requires less power and generates less heat. I can't believe I didn't see that point in the first place... smile I can agree with you on the fact that the hardware does need a lot of improving, and one thing I've been wondering (possibly you could answer this for me as well) is if the developers, while designing their consoles, either focus more on improving the physical aspects of the consoles (how it looks, the sleek feel, etc) more than the technical specifications of the consoles (the hardware, technology, overheating). Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around. And it was the extra late-day technology and technical specifications that made consoles cost what they were worth is what you said, am I right?
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:46 am
Griggle990 One strange that occurs is that when gaming graphics increase, their stability decreases, and the consoles overheat. It seems that gaming hardware are put to the limit which would require more fans to keep it cool. For example, the last generation of consoles was the first generation that required a fan to prevent them from overheating. And now with the Xbox 360 and PS3 have their overheating problems even with a fan. What this industry needs is to find new ways to make cooler running hardware that are even faster than their predecessors. Because if we continue on our current path, we will find some serious power and overheating problems with consoles, and computers 5 to 10 years in the future. Why do you think Sony and Microsoft are working toward 65nm and smaller versions of their processors? Microsoft I believe has already released their 65nm in the elite and current stock they're putting out. Sony I believe also recently put the 45nm RSX onto the 40GB and getting closer to releasing ones with 65nm CELL processors. These moves should make overheating and the such less frequent as the smaller processors will require less power.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:52 am
Fragments of Memories Griggle990 Fragments of Memories HistoryWak Griggle990 Well technology still needs to improve, every generation has to at least double, or even triple the power for their consoles. I do think a console needs to look nice on the outside, but it is what goes inside a console is what is most important. I would like to have a nice quiet console that also has the power to rival PCs.The price will be near that of a PC in that case and we can't and should never forget that they are different and should not intermix otherwise either one or the other will become obsolete and that's no good. Game Consoles should be just that. Otherwise we will witness the demise of the gaming console. ...And the beginning of a multi-media era, yes. 3nodding We are already in a multi-media era. Listen, as long as consoles are less expensive than high end computers, consoles will still be around. And it was the extra late-day technology and technical specifications that made consoles cost what they were worth is what you said, am I right? PC graphics cards and processors needs to slow down as well. The Geforce 8800 needs a 700W power supply, and the card takes up some serious space because of its large fan. The intel quad core processor needs a large heat sink and a fan in order for it to stay cool. Plus there needs to be some serious airflow in PCs these days. This needs to be improved, or else eventually every high end gaming computer will have to include 1000W+ power supplies, tons of extra fans, or water cooling.
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