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 Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:52 pm
This is Extended Discussion so I suppose it goes here.
As we all know, an afterlife is not scientifically proven, yet a good bit of people do believe their is something after a person dies.
So do you believe in an afterlife such as Heaven/Hell, Reincarnation/Rebirth, Another plane of existence, etc.
Or do you believe that once you die, it's over, that you will not longer have consciousness?
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 1:53 pm
It's a silly question. I don't see why someone would think it's just an eternal darkness once you die.
But for what I think, you're not even alive to see this darkness, so how are you to know that it's dark? Can you even experience this afterlife? No one will ever know.
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:35 pm
I personally, don't believe in an afterlife. I don't quite understand the deep analysis and concept of the presence of spirits/souls and how that is tied with consciousness. I would think that death would be like deep sleep as far as consciousness goes. As for your soul leaving your body to enter a new body as reincarnation, or entering a new plane of existence in an alternate dimension that living people can't access... D= Without my understanding of souls, I can't believe in anything other than it doesn't exist.
Obviously my atheist views are deeply affecting how I think about this, but.. yeah. I tend not to believe in things that lack evidence.. Especially something people can't even explain to me without having so many flaws in their explanations. D=
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:26 pm
Finally, something interesting to talk about.
Well, I believe in reincarnation. Going to another dimension/plane of existence could be a possible answer too, but reincarnation is a lot more logical in my opinion.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:13 am
I just find it hard to believe that once you die, it's going to be an eternity of darkness and silence. The earth has been around for billions of years with life coming to all these plants, animals, and humans. Just for them to end up in Limbo? I don't know.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:00 pm
Demon Hunter Mai I just find it hard to believe that once you die, it's going to be an eternity of darkness and silence. The earth has been around for billions of years with life coming to all these plants, animals, and humans. Just for them to end up in Limbo? I don't know. I agree with that statement. Being in eternal darkness/silence/sleep would be really illogical, yet it would be really creepy (even though it sounds like sleeping without the dreaming part). Also, regarding to what I posted earlier, I think reincarnation is more logical because it has more evidence to prove it. Since I believe that reincarnation is possible, I also believe in the idea of past lives.
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Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:09 pm
Mmm.. I don't see how an endless void or eternal darkness or the likes are that hard to comprehend, considering the lack of consciousness you would have.. I mean, when your brain ceases to receive its necessary amount of oxygen and stop sending its electric signals through its receptors and all that stuff, then your conscious being wouldn't be able to travel to astral realms, let alone perceive anything with the lack of consciousness. Demon Hunter Mai I just find it hard to believe that once you die, it's going to be an eternity of darkness and silence. The earth has been around for billions of years with life coming to all these plants, animals, and humans. Just for them to end up in Limbo? I don't know.
I'm not sure what's on your mind when you said that.. but it sounds like you're too focused on the thought that life has some sort of big purpose of some sort.. ._. Perhaps an empty void after death means that dying has no purpose outside of the world of the living? Who knows. @_@
Also, Kitsune, you mentioned there being evidence proving reincarnation? o.o Do you think you can share with the rest of us?
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 12:15 am
Except you're also thinking in terms of being asleep or in a coma. You see it as darkness for eternity, except you have no form of consciousness to go through with this darkness.
IMO, I believe you probably start a new life. You just have absolutely no recollection of this older life you went through, how you died, how old you were, etc. And it's like reliving the same loop over and over.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 9:01 pm
Maybe you do get reborn, without any awareness of who you were. It could be like dreaming in which you you go through events without giving a thought about the place you lived in when you are awake. I mean, how long does it take you to realize that you are dreaming? I almost never notice until I'm about to wake up.
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Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2008 10:59 pm
ACTUALLY, I've had a couple times where I realized just how absurd the things were going on and said to myself in the dream "...This is a dream."
I can only remember one instance of that happening though.
The thing is... you can say however much you want, whenever you want, but you will never have the correct answer since whatever you say will always end or begin with "What I believe-" or "I think-"
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:45 pm
True... I normally go through constant sleeping paralysis trying to get out of a dream most of the times because I'm aware I'm still sleeping, though my mind tires to trick me that I'm awake.
I have a question? Does anyone remember how a dream starts? It is hard as remembering you being born.
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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:06 pm
Oh yeah, another thing I ant to add. Me and my sister experienced spiritual encounters when we were really young. It was in out aunt's house. We heard footsteps echoing in the halls, and whispering in out ears. Though I did not see the actual spirit, my sister saw him. She described his as a man who wore a white robe with a white hat all the time. This shocked my mom since she the decriptions matched my aunt's deceased husband.
As we grew older, we never saw encounters any strange events like that again. Not sure if it's afterlife..... Maybe it's just one of those questions I'll never get answered.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 4:26 pm
I guess I can share a bit more. I've been lazy posting here.
Well, since you have a past live, you can't remember it. But some people have dreams that are actual events from their past lives. Your personality can also be based on your past life.
With the evidence of a past life, I didn't know why I said that. One form of evidence, which isn't too accurate, is occurrences you might get in your dreams. There still isn't much evidence though.
Also, since I believe in reincarnation, I guess I'll explain how I believe in ghosts. I think ghosts are here because they still want to be here for certain reasons instead of reincarnating into their new life.
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Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 7:13 pm
Ondores Lies ACTUALLY, I've had a couple times where I realized just how absurd the things were going on and said to myself in the dream "...This is a dream." I can only remember one instance of that happening though. The thing is... you can say however much you want, whenever you want, but you will never have the correct answer since whatever you say will always end or begin with "What I believe-" or "I think-"
Well, that's what this thread is about. About what we believe in, and discussing why we believe in what we do. It doesn't matter if there are no real correct answers, and that's what makes for a good discussion, albeit it may not prove to be a very productive discussion.
As far as me comparing death with sleep and coma, and how you wouldn't have any consciousness.. In the case of deep sleep where your REM is at a low, which signifies that you do not have as much brain activities, also meaning that you're not dreaming, even the mind is asleep so it wouldn't be able to project any dreams in your mind. I'm no expert in comas though, so I can't say that it's the same for that, but you should see the what I mean by now. The experiences after Death would be the lack of brain activities that would project any dreams, consciousness, nor its existence, as the brain would eventually die from lack of oxygen that the heart would stop pumping blood to. I'm sure you all know that the brain uses a lot of oxygen.
As for me remembering dreams... if it really stands out. o_O I'm sure I've spoke about the flying bunny dream.. and me being a piece of dog poo on the ground, and some kid I hated stepped on me.. D= And.. other stuff. But for mundane, dull dreams where I'm... getting up from bed in my dream, looking through my clothes to see what I should wear.. constantly rushing over to my desk to turn the alarm off but it keeps coming back on again.. until I realize that I was doing all that in my dream and that I was only hitting the snooze IRL while still sleeping. D= But.. I don't think post death is anything like dreams.. unless you're somewhat hallucinating from one thing or another.. Depending on your cause of death.
Those spiritual encounter stories are always interesting though. o_o I would normally say that it's a subconscious thought rising up to tell something that you may not remember or know much about consciously, but only in the subconscious.
... Mmm.. This theory is heavily based on the Glacier model of the human mind. D= The one where your mind is a glacier, and the glacier is composed of the conscious, subconscious, and ID, with parts of conscious, and the whole subconscious is "underwater" or a part of your memory that you might not be able to recall unless the glacier tips over to it's side to make that part of your conscious/subconscious surface from the water. I.. could probably find a picture of this online somewhere..
But yeah. These are nothing but how I see it through my scientific knowledge in psychology and such, as it also is my lack of knowledge in most religious beliefs. x_o;
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Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 8:25 pm
To the people who think that there is an eternal "sleep" (darkness, silence, nothingness, whatever you want). That can only happen if you believe in a soul. There has to be some form of thing that embodies you to experiance the darkness.
On the otherhand, you might just believe you cease to exist... And the problem is alot of self-proclaimed athiests don't fully grasp the concept. Think about it. Really think about what it would be like to no longer exist. It wouldn't be sleep, or sleep-like. It would be a true nothingness, and that is a greatly depressing concept.
My belief in the universe is too complex to say that we have a soul. We don't. The universe is one thing. Energy and matter and all things "spiritual".
I'm a mix between a Pantheist and Deist.
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