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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:57 am
Am I the pro choice nightmare? I am a sixteen year old practicing Catholic who believes in the authority of the pope, is leaning towards being a republican or just not voting. I am anti abortion in all cases even in the case of the mothers life being in danger.
My reason for that is that sense an unborn baby is clearly human and of course has done nothing wrong it would be murder* to kill it even to save your own life. Self defense only comes to play when the person is able to reason. Meaning that since an unborn baby can not think in the way that you and I can he* is not conscious of what he is doing even though he has a soul. Since he can not have done anything wrong due to the fact he can not yet reason he must be innocent. There for to kill him would be wrong.
Another reason I suspect I would make the pro abortionists skin crawl is because I believe that birth control is morally wrong as well as premarital sex. I understand that many people here will not agree with me on this. Luckily to unite against a common enemy we do not need to agree on everything.
Also I do not care about being political correct our not. I have been known to say “Damn political correctness.”.
The thing is I am also against the death penalty at least for one reason. Mistrials, there will always be mistrials so I am against the death penalty. I am also against most wars. The only one that I might be able to see as justifiable was world war two because the Nazi’s were killing ,Jews, communists, homosexuals Catholics, many types of protestants along with many other religions, political parties and people.. How ever I still think America did evil things in the war.
These are my stands on abortion and many other things. So what would the pro abortionists call me and how would they attack me?
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:39 pm
You're far from a nightmare. You're what they expect, and what the call all of us. You would be ridiculed that your religion means nothing in this debate, that the idea of a soul is only a person belief, and out and out laughed at.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:41 pm
You're more like their stereotype. (except for the death penalty/war bit--they like to think we're all hypocrites)
I'm 27, never been pregnant and never will be, because I know how to avoid it. (No, I'm not a virgin, either--I spent last night in a hotel room with a friend of mine and two six-packs.) I'm a communist, an atheist, a vegetarian. The death penalty is barbaric, Bush and Cheney should rot in prison for war crimes, and evolution and human-caused global warming are facts.
And in a few years...I'll be a pharmacist. Bwahahaha...
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:27 pm
La Veuve Zin You're more like their stereotype. (except for the death penalty/war bit--they like to think we're all hypocrites) I'm 27, never been pregnant and never will be, because I know how to avoid it. (No, I'm not a virgin, either--I spent last night in a hotel room with a friend of mine and two six-packs.) I'm a communist, an atheist, a vegetarian. The death penalty is barbaric, Bush and Cheney should rot in prison for war crimes, and evolution and human-caused global warming are facts. And in a few years...I'll be a pharmacist. Bwahahaha... How long does it take to become a pharnacist? Anyways as it already be said, your more of a stereotype. Alot of them seem to think we're all religious. I'm not religious, I'm for the death Penalty in certain cases, and I still believe this whole global warming is a bunch of crap (of course the world heats up abit after a few hundred years, doesn't mean we're going to die anytime soon from it and it has more to do with nature, not people).
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:24 pm
sachiko_sohma La Veuve Zin You're more like their stereotype. (except for the death penalty/war bit--they like to think we're all hypocrites) I'm 27, never been pregnant and never will be, because I know how to avoid it. (No, I'm not a virgin, either--I spent last night in a hotel room with a friend of mine and two six-packs.) I'm a communist, an atheist, a vegetarian. The death penalty is barbaric, Bush and Cheney should rot in prison for war crimes, and evolution and human-caused global warming are facts. And in a few years...I'll be a pharmacist. Bwahahaha... How long does it take to become a pharnacist? Anyways as it already be said, your more of a stereotype. Alot of them seem to think we're all religious. I'm not religious, I'm for the death Penalty in certain cases, and I still believe this whole global warming is a but of crap (of course the worlds heats up abit after a few hundred years, doesn't mean we're going to die anything soon from it and it has more to do with nature, not people). I agree with you about global warming. Did you know that in the seventies everyone was worried about global cooling.
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:03 pm
So this means I will be ignored in debates?
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Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:09 pm
Good night people, I might not be on tomorrow as I have many things to do.
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:15 am
reggie: depends on how you argue. If you don't bring your religion or age into it, or your other views....
Actually, the worst pro-choicers will ignore everyone who doesn't agree with them. If you make a good point, they'll pretend they didn't see it, and if you say something stupid, they'll laugh about it for years. Like if you call an orange a vegetable. blaugh
sachiko: two years of pre-pharmacy and four years of professional school. And a few years of residencies, if you want a specialty. Not quite as difficult as medical school, I'll admit, but not a walk in the park.
For example, I STILL HAVEN'T GOTTEN ALL MY GRADES YET!!!!! scream scream scream I had a dream last night that I got a D- in something. gonk
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:06 pm
La Veuve Zin I had a dream last night that I got a D- in something. gonk Life? domokun
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:37 pm
No, not at all. You're what a minority expects as the norm, and what everyone else expects to turn up eventually because they know you exist.
Some words to be prepared for:
Bible-thumper Woman-killer anti-choice hypocrite whore slut oh
and b***h (possibly with the word "heartless" in front of it) ((Sorry, I realized how the words looked in order and I couldn't bring myself to break it xd ))
etc, etc.
Though I will comment on something. No one's going to listen to you if you call them the enemy. They're also not going to listen if you call them pro-abortion. I know that's technically correct because it means supporting the legalization of abortion, but it annoys people. There is a practical reason to be sensitive to the feelings of other people, and that is because otherwise, why should they respect you? Why should they listen to you? It creates a loop where you end up preaching to the choir because no one else will listen. You won't like hearing anti-choice (you will though). You might brush it off, but it's frustrating when you try to make a point and are greeted with disrespect. Why do it to someone else? I know that's not your intention, but it offends them, and it's good to avoid not to be PC but just for the sake of cooperation. Without cooperation, a debate is pointless in a place like Gaia where there's no one judging and moderating debates.
Most people who are pro-choice see legalized abortion as the lesser of two evils. They want to help people. That's a noble goal, worth respect.
You know what is the nightmare though? You're smart, and you have the potential to be a good debater. You strike me as someone who can hold her own, and that is formidable to people who don't want debate, they want to win at all costs so they can validate their stances to themselves. There aren't many people like this, but there are some. They'll rip you apart at all costs, so be prepared for that, but you can hold you own.
@ Zin: Psh, they laugh for years if you do something like call an orange a vegetable? I'd NEVER EVER EVER do that! In my defense, I never, ever brought her name into it. It was just one of those moments in life where I had to laugh because of the way she said it, like I was a complete idiot for thinking an orange was a fruit.
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 7:06 am
Wait, we're the whores and sluts now? confused
I'm so confused... emo
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 12:32 pm
La Veuve Zin Wait, we're the whores and sluts now? confused I'm so confused... emo Because we all love to make babies so much, of course!<3
I don't see you as the pro-choice nightmare. You're just someone they would love to pick on, because of your religion. A lot of them see religion as irrational, and not a good reason to believe in anything.
The pro-choice nightmare, I think is someone who sees that all the arguments and all the things that pro-choicers use to justify abortion, are simply the same ones that are used to justify killing everyone. "They don't matter."
When you think that a person doesn't matter, you can do anything to it. And the more you highlight the importance of that being, the more vitriolic they get, because you're putting a "useless" fetus on the same level as a grown woman.
So really, we're all the pro-choice nightmare. We're trying to take away their abortion, and, hence, their idea of what sexual freedom should be. (That is, sex without necessary procreation. Forever, if wanted.)
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Posted: Mon Dec 24, 2007 1:22 pm
I don't get slut or whore. That one doesnt make sense because I don't have sex at all. Hypocrite maybe, though I'm not sure why soem one would think I am one.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 2:56 pm
They'll attack your views on sex, then your views on religion, then your views on how humanity works.
They will tear you to pieces and not for one second give you any form of respect or common dignity, because to them, you are the ultimate ignorant enemy.
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 6:53 pm
But how am I a slut. I am virgin.
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