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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:18 am


WASHINGTON -- After delaying a domestic satellite-surveillance program for more than two months, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff expects to finalize a new charter for it this week, a move that attempts to quell civil-liberties concerns and get the program back on track.

Mr. Chertoff also plans soon to unveil a cyber-security strategy, part of an estimated $15 billion, multiyear program designed to protect the nation's Internet infrastructure. The program has been shrouded in secrecy for months and has also prompted privacy concerns on Capitol Hill because it involves government protection of domestic computer networks.

Both areas put Homeland Security in the middle of a public debate over domestic spy powers, kicked off by the revelation two years ago that the National Security Agency had been eavesdropping on some conversations in the U.S. without a warrant. In the fall, the department put the satellite program on hold after an outcry on Capitol Hill. Lawmakers have also asked Mr. Chertoff to delay the introduction of the cyber-security initiative. "One lesson I've learned is it's not enough to say we know what we're doing is going to be OK," Mr. Chertoff said in an interview. "We've got to really make it clear to the public that we're doing this, but we're not doing that."

The satellite program, which would be run by a new department branch called the National Applications Office, would expand the domestic use of satellite imagery by federal and local authorities.

Congress lashed out at the department when The Wall Street Journal reported plans for the program in August. Mr. Chertoff suspended the program until legislators received more information. The satellite-spy technology was originally developed to monitor activities and people outside the U.S.

House Homeland Security Committee Chairman Bennie G. Thompson of Mississippi said his committee received its last update on the spy-satellite program three months ago. "We still haven't seen the legal framework we requested or the standard operation procedures on how the NAO will actually be run," he said. In a spending bill Congress passed yesterday, lawmakers prohibited the department from spending money on the program until Mr. Chertoff certifies the program is legal and the Government Accountability Office reviews the certification.

In creating the charter, Mr. Chertoff said there had been "back and forth" over keeping the language clear and simple. "If it is jargon-laden, then people look at it and say, 'What's the hidden agenda here?'"

The charter will clarify that the satellite program will follow all current U.S. legal restrictions on technical surveillance. Where a warrant is required for collection, one will be obtained before that activity is approved. Under the charter, the program won't use technology to intercept verbal communications
PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:45 am


The Government ALWAYS gives us "assurances" whenever they want to expand their power. Unfourtunantly, its not exactly a contract. The government can decide not to live up to those assurances, and the new power isn't recinded. I don't know how often they've actually done this, aside from Patriot Act abuses, but I'd be very surprised if they keep ANY promises they make about what it will and will not be used for. I trust their "assurances" about as much as I trust campaighn promises of a chicken in every pot on Sunday.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:47 am


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The Government ALWAYS gives us "assurances" whenever they want to expand their power. Unfourtunantly, its not exactly a contract. The government can decide not to live up to those assurances, and the new power isn't recinded. I don't know how often they've actually done this, aside from Patriot Act abuses, but I'd be very surprised if they keep ANY promises they make about what it will and will not be used for. I trust their "assurances" about as much as I trust campaighn promises of a chicken in every pot on Sunday.


I trust them because I'm going to become part of them.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 6:36 am


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The Government ALWAYS gives us "assurances" whenever they want to expand their power. Unfourtunantly, its not exactly a contract. The government can decide not to live up to those assurances, and the new power isn't recinded. I don't know how often they've actually done this, aside from Patriot Act abuses, but I'd be very surprised if they keep ANY promises they make about what it will and will not be used for. I trust their "assurances" about as much as I trust campaighn promises of a chicken in every pot on Sunday.


I trust them because I'm going to become part of them.
Lucky you. But for the rest of us, there needs to be some kind of control over this. What exactly binds the government to keep its promises? Nothing. The government can change its mind any time it likes. I would feel more comfortable if the powers the government gave itself became null and viod upon misuse. Then again, if that were the case, the government wouldn't have any power. Which wouldn't really be such a bad thing, when you think about it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 7:12 am


"the government can chang its mind anytime it likes"

not to sound sexist or anything but that kinda sounds like a woman to me rofl
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