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LadyInWhite

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:25 pm


Whenever I see a story like this on some of my favorite blogs like Feministing and Feministe I immediately dig up some "pro-life" blog to find out what their take is on issues like this. But it is never discussed. So I'd like to know why "pro-life" people don't discuss things that really matter. Like my example story:

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/australia/story/0,,2225242,00.html]10 year old raped by 9 men[/url]
A judge in Australia was facing calls to step down today after she failed to jail a group of nine males who admitted gang-raping a 10-year-old girl in an Aboriginal community, saying the young victim "probably agreed" to have sex with them.

Instead of jailing the three adults, aged 17 to 26, one of whom was a repeat sex offender, and giving custodial sentences to the six juveniles aged 14 to 16, Queensland District Court judge Sarah Bradley handed out suspended sentences and probation orders.


The lenient sentencing was greeted with outrage and disbelief across Australia, which has been wrestling with the problem of child sex abuse in indigenous communities after a report, Little Children Are Sacred, released earlier this year, described the problem as widespread and endemic.

The newly elected prime minister, Kevin Rudd, said he was "appalled and disgusted" by the details of the case while Queensland's attorney-general, Kerry Shine, said he would appeal the judge's decision. Indigenous leaders said it sent a terrible message to vulnerable girls and women living in fear in Australia's their communities.

"If this was a white girl in white suburban Brisbane' there's no way the defendants would have walked out of court," said child protection campaigner Hetty Johnston.

Aboriginal academic Professor Boni Robertson called for the judge to step down while there was an inquiry. "It's undermined everything we have worked for over the last 10 years to get our women justice in this country," she said.

The assault on the child happened in 2005 in Aurukun on Cape York on the northern edge of Queensland, a community which has a history of rioting and drunken violence. Some of the girl's attackers are said to be from prominent families in the area while she comes from a less privileged background.

News of the sentences, handed out in October and early November, has already led to simmering tensions within the community. In a recent outbreak of violence, rival gangs fought with sticks and spears.

Judge Bradley's handling of the case was revealed by The Australian newspaper. In passing sentence, she told the participants that she accepted the girl involved "was not forced and probably agreed to have sex with all of you but you were taking advantage of a 10-year-old girl and she needs to be protected." Facing allegations that the country's justice system was failing children, the attorney general met the director of public prosecutions today to review the case. '

"I am truly horrified by the circumstances of these offences," Mr Shine said. He said the law should be consistent in its application in indigenous and white communities. The opposition justice spokesman, Mark McArdle, also called for an inquiry.

Queensland's premier, Anna Bligh, said all sexual offences sentences arising out of Cape York communities over the past two years would be reviewed. "The nature of the sentences in this case are so far from community expectations I have to say I am alarmed, and I am not prepared to write this off as an unusual one-off case," she said.

She added that the girl, who had been returned to the community after being put in foster care, was once more back in foster care, receiving medical and other treatment, and is reportedly doing well.


So my question to you, fellow Choicers. WHY wont they discuss the suffering of born children? Do they really not care or are they convinced that stopping abortion will put an end to these things?

EDIT: While I'm at it I'd like to draw attention to this particular story.
If fetuses are so valuable then why don't they jump in front of gunmen to save their mothers lives? Hm? Oh wait because they can't. This girl is ******** awesome and i hope she lives so people will see the value in born children. If i could I'd totally donate to her fund.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:17 pm


All they care about are fetuses. As long as the fetus lives on, and the baby is born, whoopty doo! They have succeeded. The adoption, the mistreatment, the pain and suffering of actual, living humans really has no effect on them, because they are so damn moral.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:56 pm


Oh they care...
Just not enough to do anything to help.

It's like those people who watch those comercials with the starving children who live in filth and extreme poverty. They may think "poor things" or shed a tear but then they just turn the channel and go back to their regular schedualed programing.

After all, it doesn't affect them... And starving babies in Africa aren't as important as a fetus in trouble.
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:42 pm


I've met lifers who, when it was brought up, said that this sort of thing wasn't relevant.

I've also met a couple who genuinely didn't see why they should be concerned for born children. They said it wasn't their problem.

Granted, the lifers who will openly admit such things are few and far in between...still. It's sickening.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:47 pm


That makes no sense..

" It's not my problem if bad things are happening to children all over the world"

"..but it IS my problem if 'bad things' are happening to other people's foetii.."

*cough*
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:12 pm


Exactly, Reaper. Why the hell don't they care about things that matter? Why don't they help people who are actually suffering?

Also: Feministing rocks my socks. Anyone read Full Frontal Feminism?

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:33 pm


I think every choicer knows that to make abortion rare one must tackle the situation of the born people first and worry about the reasons women need to go down that path.

We care about more than just keeping abortion legal. We are pro-contraception and pro-sexed to name just a few. If you just focus on one thing and not tackle why it comes to pass then you can never hope to change the world. That is why pro-choice does MORE to make abortion rare than any "pro-life" person ever does.

I sincerely hope that the lifer-guild ("pro-lifers" in general actually) start discussing not just abortion issues but issues that cause women to turn to abortion and the suffering of born children...

No, I haven't read Full Frontal Feminism. T___T I really wanted to get it but they didn't have it instore last time I was in the US and my mom says I own too many feminist/abortion related books. o.o LoL I'll tryn get a friend to send me a copy. It's supposed to be a fantastic book. 3nodding
PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:25 pm


PhaedraMcSpiffy
Exactly, Reaper. Why the hell don't they care about things that matter? Why don't they help people who are actually suffering?


They see aborshuned fetuses as more of a crisis than impoverished and marginalized children.

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Also: Feministing rocks my socks. Anyone read Full Frontal Feminism?


Feministe and Pandagon are better blogs, IMO. FFF was okay, but I thought it was incredibly white heterosexual centric. She didn't mention transgender issues at all either.

But I really, really liked her chapter regarding reproductive rights. She didn't beat around the bush (no pun intended) and sung the truths that have been ignored for so long loud and clear.

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LadyInWhite

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:04 pm


I must say, I guess the Gaian Lifers really are active on Gaia because they replied to this thread pretty quickly. *does a happy dance* So I recommend all my dear Choicers go and view their happy little thread. 3nodding

So abortion and caring about born children are not related huh? Hm. You just admitted that you think of them as the same therefore yes, the pro-life camp should concern themselves with the wellbeing of the born children in the world. Where is it more appropriate to dicuss born children than with people who equate them to fetuses? =3

We (meaning I and anyone else who has done research) do know whats being done. And that is very little. I, personally, have visited many supposedly pro-life web-sites. Popular ones even and tried to find like a "Save the [born] children" foundation or support page. Are you surprised that I did not find anything? No? Neither am I. And it does sadden me greatly. If the Lifers on Gaia are personally commiting time and money into helping born children, then that is really great but please, you can't tell me that improving the lives of born children is a bad thing since hey, some womens reason to abort is that said child will have a unhappy life.

And T, when did i claim that stopping abortion wont stop rape. Rape will always be a problem until we have stricter laws to deal with Rapists. Personally, I'd love to see a Rapist get 100 lashes. No, not the death-penalty. I'd prefer to see them suffer for their crimes and have to live with the physical and emotional pain for the rest of their lives. But that's just my personal opinion on the matter (which coincidentally is shared by quite a few).

As for more on the rape and abortion correlation, dear Lifers, smarter Choicers than I have said it better. Go read some of that brilliant stuff and maybe you'll wake up and smell the crack (I hate coffee).

Oh and on the working together issue. Heh, tried that. Until you recognize that no born person has the right to use anothers body against their will there will be no working together. Then again we all care about born children so how about we work on that before tackling the abortion issues.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:03 pm


many lifers are just control freaks with a fetus fetish.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:46 am


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many lifers are just control freaks with a fetus fetish.


And the fact that they stalk the PCG kinda makes me wonder if they don't have a little to much free time on their hands.
I mean honestly, coming onto our guild just to find things to b***h about on their guild? Don't they have fetuses to save or something? talk2hand
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:18 pm


Well I looked for the thread and couldn't find it, but I really liked what I saw in the PLG. There's a lot of threads talking about taking better measures towards preventing abortions and helping women avoid having to make that decision. That made me feel so much better, much happier about them. Zin said something that made me wanna pounce-hug her xD

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:04 pm


[sarcasm]But don't you know? Unborn babies are 100% innocent, they've never done anything wrong. But born children who are suffering from poverty and abuse probably deserve what they get because they've probably committed some terrible sins, like disobeying their parents or asking where babies come from.[/sarcasm]
PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 2:49 pm


Like I said a while back...

pro-lifers are all for quantity of life > quality of life.

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Reinna Astarel

PostPosted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:15 pm


That's absolutely appalling. "I'm sure she agreed to have sex with all you gentlemen here, so you get a slap on the wrist for raping a ******** TEN YEAR OLD."

*fumes*

Yes, these are the things that matter. And I sure hope to all hell that any pro-lifer I see is just as active about protecting born children, and preventing anything like this from ever happening, and punishing those who do it, as they are about picketing Planned Parenthoods, supporting pro-life organizations, or being vocally pro-life.


...


Oh, who am I kidding?
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