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 Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 4:45 pm
My my this book lit a bombshell under my moms a**, and even more when she heard the series was coming to the big screen. Now I looked and was shocked there was nothing on it in this guild in the first two pages. Atleast I would guess it might have been talked about when the series ended, but anyhoo what are you opions.
According to my mother, and I further fount out by others, the series is about a girl who is everything human desire is. Selfish, rude, arrogant, and with the added interest of wanter to kill her mother and further down the line... dun dun dun, 'God' himself. When I first saw the previews, my ignorant self thought it was another fantasy series based on a book with strong christian morals in it, just like Lord of the Rings and Chronicles of Narnia. So I didn't look too much into it at the time seeing how it's a new series and I havn't browsed through the books myserl. To my shock a week ago I fount out an atheist wrote it to counter the two series I just mention. Now not beleiveing in God is one thing I can understand, but wanting to bash a religion that did you no harm, senslessly is somthing I find hard to swallow. Personally I find people who are like this very immature and childish. Almost like a know it all teen who bashes a genre or move, game, or music because he personally hates it and wants all other who like it to feel stupid about liking it. Acourse I like to post this in a less bias forum , but I'm sure I was beaten too it and a war is going on between the atheist who have an uneeded hatred of christianity, and the faithful followers of the religion. Yes folks I still see it, as I do with more faiths, as a religion.
Anyhoo as a guild I would like to hear ya'lls opinion. Personally I find the concept interesting, but also somthing that is out to personally insult others. Even though I'm interested in reading the books and possibly seeing the movie I have to disagree with it as a whole. Again I will say that I am not a christian to avoid people coming in and saying that I'm not a true christian for finding it interesting.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:01 pm
uhmmm well in my honest opinion...
i didn't know any of that! xd i still plan on seeing the movie to base my own opinion of it, and because my brother wants to see it (so i'll probably take him to see it as well). But still.. to write, ro do anything out of spite and revenge is almost the same as insulting someone behind their back.. a rather cowardly move, in my opinion. It doesn't matter if it was a book bashing athiests or a book bashing hindus. Either is wrong and cowardly.
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 6:44 pm
I've heard enough about the movie to know it's downright bad. D:
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 9:52 pm
I find it kind of sad actually. Sounds like the book/movie was made out of hate more than anything else, really a work of satan. Although atheists don't realize thats who they are working for, and follow him to a tee. I hate to see people go for such low blows, but then again mud is flung from both sides. sweatdrop
What I'd like to point out to you CW is that Christianity does have religion, but thats only the part people see. The part that most people don't see is what really makes one a follower of Christ. It is this quality that allows one to grow close to God and live with Him eternally. But we can talk about that in another place, either another thread or via pms. biggrin
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Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 10:36 pm
Believe it or not, I actually did a bit of research and read a random positive Christian review about the whole book series (mostly about the third book) before I made the decision to see the movie with friends. This is a large portion of it (A few spoilers in the third book are ahead):
"The movie is based on the first book, The Golden Compass, but the dire warning is directed at the third book, The Amber Spyglass. According to the e-mail circulating through millions of inboxes, it is in the third book that the characters kill God.
For the sake of argument, suppose they really do kill God. Any movie with God as a character cannot be atheistic. Atheists, by definition, do not believe that God exists. Thus The Tale of Peter Rabbit is more atheistic than The Golden Compass.
Should Christians be offended by the killing of God? Our entire religion is based on it. Remember Jesus? The Bible plainly and repeatedly asserts that God came to earth in human form and we killed him. All Christians, by definition, believe that people killed God.
Actually, the characters in this book do not kill God. The Authority is in fact an angel, not the immortal Creator. He is very old and ready to die, but is being used by the Church for its own purposes. When two children release him, his angelic body dissolves back into the universe.
Paul talks about The Authority in Romans. He calls it the law. According to Paul, the law was good for teaching us right from wrong, but it became a yoke of slavery because of our inability to comply. The law brings death. Christ came to bring us life, freeing us from the law of sin and death. Jesus greatly disrupted the religious establishment of that day, which was based on the law.
Pullman’s trilogy is theologically provocative, but none of the three books attack true Christianity. In fact, his tale reflects the biblical story of humankind. Will and Lyra explicitly represent Adam and Eve – not only in the fall from grace, but also in redemption. The Apostle Paul calls Jesus “the second Adam.” Adam is the original transgressor, but Adam is also the bringer of salvation.
There are other parallels as well. In the third book, Lyra and Will descend into the underworld to free those souls who have been trapped by death. In order to do so, they must be willing to be torn away from their very spirits, undergoing a sort of death. This is similar to the torment Jesus experienced on the cross when he was separated from the divine to descend into hell and destroy death for our sake.
Pullman may not profess a literal belief in the Bible, but we find biblical themes running throughout his literature. This is not surprising, considering that he was raised by his grandfather who was an Anglican rector. Pullman names Milton’s “Paradise Lost” as one of the works that inspired the trilogy.
These books are not a consistent parallel to the Bible by any means. Neither are The Chronicles of Narnia, which Christians everywhere praise, study, and use as the basis of English curriculum.
Likewise, The Lord of the Rings has been embraced by the same people who battled to censor the magical Harry Potter series. Although The Lord of the Rings contains a similar mix of myth and magic, its defenders claim it holds a Christian message. Author J.R.R. Tolkien adamantly opposed such an interpretation during his lifetime. He said, “I dislike allegory whenever I smell it.”
Why do Christians defend some fantasy books as harmless magical tales while others are condemned as occultist books? Michael D. O’Brien, Catholic author and fantasy critic, makes this distinction: The Lord of the Rings is acceptable for Christians because the magic exists within a distinct hierarchy. Harry Potter’s magic is anti-Christian because anyone can obtain it through education and exercise. In other words, the Catholic Church does not really mind your child reading about witches or warlocks. That’s a clever ruse to oppose any books that don’t toe the line regarding ecclesiastical hierarchy. Given this distinction, it is clear why Pullman is drawing Catholic ire.
The Golden Compass portrays a very corrupt church that wields unchecked political power. In an interview, Pullman gave the Taliban as a real-life example of such a church. The term “Catholic” is not used in the book or movie, so any church that identifies with the depiction is essentially condemning itself. "
There's a little more to it, but I personally thought that in itself was a great explanation razz
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:01 am
Thanks for pulling that up. That should come in handy should I need to talk about it with anyone.
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Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:45 pm
Soooooooooooo does is he basically saying don't condem books of anykind, or if the book has any kind of magic in it, it's evil. Or maybe he's calling the christian group thickle or having double standards. I can't really tell what point he's making actually. Like I said I want to check the series out simply because I find it one hell of a concept for a story, but I also think he wrote it just to piss christians off. Then again I wonder if this guy worte this review hoping the author or fans of the author would here it and piss them off. But then again he might be looking at the negatives in the book and trying to make them look like the possitives. Acourse IRL we all know Jesus was the good guy saving his followers from damnation by making that sacrafice. But in the Golden Compass the heroine, from what I know, is a true brat who kills a weak defensless 'god'. Acourse he never mentioned the girl in his review except for her killing god. But either way I really don't see the point he's making, I could see a handful he could be making, but not the one he's trying to make.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:52 pm
I really want to see the movie, cause I read the book when I was younger and I know that I skipped a few bits [cause I was bored] though I enjoyed it. I have forgotten most of the story line though. I really want to see the movie, though my Mum doesn't want me to see it because of the reasons you said. And now I don't know if I shall... I'm kind of stuck.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:37 pm
BugBoots I really want to see the movie, cause I read the book when I was younger and I know that I skipped a few bits [cause I was bored] though I enjoyed it. I have forgotten most of the story line though. I really want to see the movie, though my Mum doesn't want me to see it because of the reasons you said. And now I don't know if I shall... I'm kind of stuck. i think it's important to respect your parents wishes, even if it isn't always what we want/like to do. At the same time though, it also depends on where you feel convicted. If you feel like God is telling you to steer clear of it, it might be best to find another movie, like Alvin and the Chipmunks (which i am seeing, booyah).
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Posted: Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:50 pm
I've heard (and read) the reviews for this and from a Catholic stand point, I should feel insulted because it deliberately calls the 'church' in the books the Magisterium (probably spelled it wrong), a direct jab at the Catholic Church because that's what we were called back then. However, here in Washington state, the 'Unchurched state' because of its extremely low religious affliation when juxtaposed with other states, the guys who are religious are entertained by just because its got polar bears that beat the heck out of each other. *shrug* Me, I've seen better attacks on Christianity by atheists without this moron's credentials.
The only real reason I'm offended is that people consider it on par with Chronicles of Narnia. That just pisses me off.
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Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2007 3:08 am
Iwill admit my ignorance before when I thought it was like Chronicals of Narnia. But like I said I never even heard the plot before. What really burns my a** is alot of blatent attacks at christianity in general. I know people want to make the majority out as this gun-ho group of religious nuts who seem to wanna lecture them on their faults over what they might really be doing, and tell them about Jesus. Then again I'm equally annoyed by the fact that some of the christian are what the mainstream sees the whole group, but thats for another argument.
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Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:57 pm
To Everyone: If you have not read the books, you have NO right to condemn them.
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:31 pm
I think as Christians we should not put one penny in this producers movie (GOLDEN COMPASS) I left this info of the producer writer and cast and motives said by mr. Golden Compass himself its on my thread...Do you want my compass you can have it..Me and my family will not give it even the slightest penny...Its children I am worried about. Their little minds are vulnerable and easy prey for satan...We as adults wont be affected by such a ridiculous movie........BUt I wont give it a dime......Christians we need to buck up and Stand for what GOD is...Stop letting these people tell us what is entertainment.... 
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Posted: Wed Dec 19, 2007 7:40 pm
ALWAYS CHECK FIRST, WHAT YOUR KIDS ARE WATCHING!
Please pass this on to your friends and family.
http://snopes.com/politics/religion/compass.asp
You may already know about the kids' movie coming out in December starring Nicole Kidman. It's called The Golden Compass, and while it will be a watered down version, it is based on a series of children's books about killing God. (It is the anti-Narnia.) Please follow this link and then pass it on. From what I understand, the hope is to get a lot of kids to see the movie - which won't seem too bad - and then get the parents to buy the books for their kids for Christmas. The quotes from the author sum it all up. I hope it totally bombs because we were all paying attention!
There will be a new children's movie out in December called 'The Golden Compass'. The movie has been described as 'atheism for kids' and is based on the first book of a trilogy entitled 'His Dark Materials' that was written by Phillip Pullman. Pullman is a militant atheist and secular humanist who despises C. S. Lewis and the 'Chronicles of Narnia'. His motivation for writing this trilogy was specifically to counteract Lewis' symbolisms of Christ that are portrayed in the Narnia series.
Clearly, Pullman's main objective is to bash Christianity and promote atheism. Pullman left little doubt about his intentions when he said in a
2003 interview that 'my books are about killing God.' He has even stated that he wants to 'kill God in the minds of children'. It has been said of Pullman that he is! 'the writer the atheists would be praying for, if atheists prayed.'
While 'The Golden Compass' movie itself may seem mild and innocent, the books are a much different story. In the trilogy, a young streetwise girl becomes enmeshed in an epic struggle to ultimately defeat the oppressive forces of a senile God. Another character, an ex-nun, describes Christianity as 'a very powerful and convincing mistake.'
In the final book, characters representing Adam and Eve eventually kill God, who at times is called YAHWEH. Each book in the trilogy gets progressively worse regarding Pullman's hatred of Jesus Christ.
'The Golden Compass' is set to premier on December 7, during the Christmas season, and will probably be heavily advertised. Promoters hope that unsuspecting parents will take their children to see the movie, that they will enjoy the movie, and that the children will want the books for Christmas.
Please consider a boycott of the movie and the books. Also, pass this information along to everyone you know. This will help to educate parents, so that they will know the agenda of the movie.
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OzzyBornAgain
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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:03 pm
*facepalm* Ya know, I should have done that awhile ago......
Then again, as my favorite talk-show host, from Seattle's best Rock Station, put it: "If the Vatican's main problem is a stupid movie, then they should just kick back and throw a party."
Of course, this is coming the 2nd most liberal city in the U.S, Seattle. But he makes a good point. Christianity isn't getting jihaded by fanatic Muslims, and unless there's a secret underground atheist organization working for the overthrow of all religions, we're pretty safe.
Still...If he was Catholic, Pope Benedict would've excommunicated this guy the instant his books hit the shelves.
Feh...I'm done ranting for now. Anyone care to pick up from where I left off?
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