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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:21 pm
So... Let's do it.
I want you to post reasons why we should, reasons why we shouldn't, reasons why it is possible, and reasons why it is impossible. Post theories on how it can be done. Post theories of what might go wrong.
I have a goal to help bring down the veil, I don't want to hear your opinion on why it's "Morally" wrong, or why it's bad.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:22 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:24 pm
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:43 pm
Not reserved.
Okay... From what I've learned.
The veil is the thing that seperates the physical realm from the astral from the ethereal realm. I dunno how it got there, don't care too much, unless it gives us a way to un-put it there.
According to what I've learned it is self-regenerating, meaning... if you put a hole in it, the hole will disappear shortly after you put it there. That is IF you put a hole in it.
I'm thinking of making something like a sigil programmed to tear the viel from the other side.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:43 pm
What about a hardcore summoning circle thing. I cannot remember what they are called. gonk
Make it so that it opens a magickal portal or something.
Im high. talk2hand
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:27 pm
Do you really think people are ready for such a change, Lobo? We can slip through easily enough; I doubt we need to force our experiences on others, especially the unfriendly ones.
Such an act would likely make interplanal travel unrestricted. While it may sound like a good idea, think of all the evils in both worlds who would gladly take advantage of this ideal, especially those capitalizing on the fearful and ignorant.
While it is an intriguing idea to think about, actually doing so may be more harm than help.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:37 pm
I don't think it's possible. I don't think that the veil is a tangible thing; that it's more like a concept. "The Veil" would be what is pulled over our eyes to keep us from seeing or interacting with all the "astral" (I never understood that term considering it comes from "aster", the Latin for "star") stuff floating around and interpenetrating our reality. There is no veil, only differences of frequency. The astral/etheric/whatever already exists here, in tandem with our reality. The thing is that most people cannot see or interact with it because their vibrational rate hasn't been raised enough.
That's my idea anyway. So in that sense, unless you plan on raising the frequency vibrational rate of everything on the planet, or the physical universe for that matter, then I don't feel you can actually tear down "the veil". You may be able to tear off your personal veil, but as a massive collective effort to make magic more tangible? I doubt it.
But prove me wrong. It could be fun.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:41 pm
I agree with Obscurus here. I don't really see the veil as something you CAN break, because it's more abstract in my opinion.
So I'm not going to help with this project, since I think it may be a waste of time, but whoever wants to do it won't hear any complaints from me. xp
Let us know how it goes. I'm interested to hear if it's possible or if you can get any semi-tangible results.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:36 pm
I don't really concern myself with the concept of the veil, between the different theories I've come across, I don't think the veil should be big concern for me (mmm, self centered thoughts).
Between the different things I've heard about the veil I don't really expect that it would be probably, though possible, to tear it down, even if the veil was a more tangible thing then a metaphor. I think one method that may yeild better result then trying to tear down the entire veil would be like, making making some form of a construct to keep open a hole in the veil. Though theres a good chance some veil repairers (if no the veil itself) would dispatch with it fairly quickly, and it would not be a new or even very special occurance, since there are plenty of long term tears.
I think the closest alternative would be informing large masses of people about how to pass through the veil along with things they can do. Which seems a daunting and arduous task.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:50 pm
In all honesty, I think of "tearing down the veil" as being a kind of metaphor for being able to impose your Will on reality more easily. It's a tearing away of the mundane and inviting the supernatural into your life. I don't know if there is a construct called the veil, or wether we can bring it down or just tear holes in it, but one way or another, I think that what it symbolises -- making one's life more magick-oriented - is definitely something I want to aim for. As such, I'mma try to find a way to tear down the veil, metaphorical or not.
I think it's something you have to do for yourself - a personal act of power over your circumstances - rather than a spell out of a book or something. To that effect, I think everyone should, after a fashion, tear down their own veils... so to speak. XD
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:52 pm
Concerning ideas in the veil thread in the Research subforum, I have a thought that I'd like to see some responses to. Another idea is that if the veil were to break, it would be likely that a large wave of energy would flood into this...side of the veil, likely causing panic, some chaos, and possibly damage (I'd think electro-magnetic at best as far as easily tangible things go). I don't think that some people are right in the ascension concept were large numbers of unaware people would 'disappear' or die due to not being prepared. Its expected in these events that anomalies that are psychic abilities and such would be much more frequent and stronger, as well as there being more free range for things to come into this side, good or bad. So, do you think that peoples abilities like 'sheilding' would be more tangible, or stronger? Whether thats increased/more noticable or not, do you think we should be responsible and protect other people from some of the possible negative aspects of the veil falling?If its all metaphorical, then I think its a pretty good thing that would be hard to force onto others, and I'm already working on it.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:42 pm
Time to merge this with the technology thread:
Virus. I'm thinking either the general "lawl, I'm taking up more and more space" type could work... but even better would be the "hard disk" killers.
Create constructs made to infiltrate and replicate. If the veil does somehow regenerate, then it will be a good host. Eventually, the veil would be gone without the ability to return for any length of time.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:42 am
I don't know much about the astra plane so I don't know how I can be of service to you.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:00 am
The thing I don't exactly get is why is it worth tearing this thing down in the first place?
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:01 am
Blind Guardian the 2nd The thing I don't exactly get is why is it worth tearing this thing down in the first place? Because if it is there, then we don't actually know anything about it. That's why we are trying to get rid of it. Unfortunately, I think that may be the reasoning used in some cases... but I'd like to hope we are all thinking that we had nothing more important to be doing, so we decided to try and mess with the balance of the universe.
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