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 Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:18 am
Okay, I've been noticing a lot of _______ is better than ________ because of graphics, and I'd like to just post my opinion/ask questions.
+We've all seen a lot of "I own Gamecube/Xbox/PS2, but and the new Wii/Xbox 360/PS3 is coming out, so I'm going to get that/them. The graphics are sooo next-gen!" Which brings me to my first point. Why would anyone buy the next console and hold graphics as their highest priority? The only reason I'm going to get a PS3/Wii is not for updated graphics on the PS2/Gamecube, but because my franchises/series continue, and there's new games coming out I'm going to like.
+"Wii's graphics are the same as Gamecube." Not really. I've played/watched people play various Wii games, and the graphics are better. Just because Nintendo didn't shove graphics/Blu-Ray/Hardware Stats down your throat, it doesn't mean the graphics aren't improved. Graphics improve with each console gen... but, as in bullet #1, that shouldn't be your soul reason to buy a console.HistoryWak Canis mentioned how a couple of PS3 exclusive games because of the amount of space it takes up for the graphics are very short. I don't know about any of you but I'd rather have non-HD graphics (still decent graphics though. HD isn't needed for graphics to look good) and have the game be a decent length to get my money's worth. I don't want to pay $59.99 for a game that's too short.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:22 am
Wow...I think that the topic I just posted is very similar or at least correlates with this one...I'll post again if you add more info.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:24 am
Very well said. I agree with it. Thanks for including my quote. mrgreen
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:31 am
SuperJawes2112 Wow...I think that the topic I just posted is very similar or at least correlates with this one...I'll post again if you add more info.
The Exclusive topic? Or one in the VGD?
Post again if you want. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:15 pm
What is the top one, and what is the bottom one.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:40 pm
Griggle990 What is the top one, and what is the bottom one. The top one is the GameCube version of the Wii game seen in the bottom picture. Also, anyone who's played the Fire Emblem games for both systems will see a significant upgrade in graphical and animation quality, although I think alot of this has to do with the Wii Fire Emblem having a larger budget and less lazy animators.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:52 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar Griggle990 What is the top one, and what is the bottom one. The top one is the GameCube version of the Wii game seen in the bottom picture. Also, anyone who's played the Fire Emblem games for both systems will see a significant upgrade in graphical and animation quality, although I think alot of this has to do with the Wii Fire Emblem having a larger budget and less lazy animators. Good point. 3nodding
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:01 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar Griggle990 What is the top one, and what is the bottom one. The top one is the GameCube version of the Wii game seen in the bottom picture. Also, anyone who's played the Fire Emblem games for both systems will see a significant upgrade in graphical and animation quality, although I think alot of this has to do with the Wii Fire Emblem having a larger budget and less lazy animators. Screw graphics. Characters are hugely colored in more than one way. IMO, graphics are an excuse to keep Sega/Nintendo from making Sonic the Hedgehog/Mario 4. You know those visuals are tight even on the incredibly low-powered graphics. I hear that criticals are also MUCH better. I'd have to agree, they're awesome, like something to seek in themselves. Although, the coolest thing ever is Bane and Rend. Epic wins right there.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:06 pm
In defense of the Blu-Ray thingy, while HD is not necessary for good looking graphics, with TV's generally being at least 720p now, if a game is not in HD, it's noticeable.
The biggest advantage that Blu-Ray offers to games is really the ability to not have to compress the information which eventually could damage or inhibit the data on said disc.
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Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:10 pm
Hey, who changed Hyrule to Toaru in that pic?
0_o
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:10 am
Part-Time Viking In defense of the Blu-Ray thingy, while HD is not necessary for good looking graphics, with TV's generally being at least 720p now, if a game is not in HD, it's noticeable. The biggest advantage that Blu-Ray offers to games is really the ability to not have to compress the information which eventually could damage or inhibit the data on said disc. It will still will look good(contrary to popular belief). It's not like a game will all of a sudden look like s**t if it isn't. Also, the disc space advantage is primarily for the graphics. I know that because we've seen really long games on disks with less space.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:57 am
Arvis_Jaggamar Griggle990 What is the top one, and what is the bottom one. The top one is the GameCube version of the Wii game seen in the bottom picture. Also, anyone who's played the Fire Emblem games for both systems will see a significant upgrade in graphical and animation quality, although I think alot of this has to do with the Wii Fire Emblem having a larger budget and less lazy animators. Umm...the top one is actually from Wii for sure. Notice the control pad instead of X & Y buttons. @ Blu-Ray: the 720p thing is a digital thing. It looks better because you can put more stuff in it. DVDs are already digital, which is why 360 has been doing HD just fine. Blu-Ray's advantage is 1080p and storage for OTHER data. 1080p won't do much on a TV less than around 42", because the details become too small anyways. The storage of other data is what Sony needs to push, making longer games, or more added features/easter eggs to find.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:28 pm
SuperJawes2112 Arvis_Jaggamar Griggle990 What is the top one, and what is the bottom one. The top one is the GameCube version of the Wii game seen in the bottom picture. Also, anyone who's played the Fire Emblem games for both systems will see a significant upgrade in graphical and animation quality, although I think alot of this has to do with the Wii Fire Emblem having a larger budget and less lazy animators. @ Blu-Ray: the 720p thing is a digital thing. It looks better because you can put more stuff in it. DVDs are already digital, which is why 360 has been doing HD just fine. Blu-Ray's advantage is 1080p and storage for OTHER data. 1080p won't do much on a TV less than around 42", because the details become too small anyways. The storage of other data is what Sony needs to push, making longer games, or more added features/easter eggs to find. Oh wow, good eye, man. Is it possible these photos are doctored then? Because the game doesn't ever look that bad on the Wii. Of course, I don't think it looks that bad on the GameCube either....
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:40 pm
Arvis_Jaggamar SuperJawes2112 Arvis_Jaggamar Griggle990 What is the top one, and what is the bottom one. The top one is the GameCube version of the Wii game seen in the bottom picture. Also, anyone who's played the Fire Emblem games for both systems will see a significant upgrade in graphical and animation quality, although I think alot of this has to do with the Wii Fire Emblem having a larger budget and less lazy animators. @ Blu-Ray: the 720p thing is a digital thing. It looks better because you can put more stuff in it. DVDs are already digital, which is why 360 has been doing HD just fine. Blu-Ray's advantage is 1080p and storage for OTHER data. 1080p won't do much on a TV less than around 42", because the details become too small anyways. The storage of other data is what Sony needs to push, making longer games, or more added features/easter eggs to find. Oh wow, good eye, man. Is it possible these photos are doctored then? Because the game doesn't ever look that bad on the Wii. Of course, I don't think it looks that bad on the GameCube either.... Dear Lord... I'd PM Ace but he isn't on and I don't want to clutter up his inbox with multiple PMs.
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Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:51 pm
I wanna find something I've wanted all along.... Take note of what Viking said. You don't have to compress the information with such large space. That being said, the graphics taking up all that space could uncompressed making the game fairly large. While compressing at a high level will most likely as Viking said damage or inhibit data on the disc, if done enough to keep the same quality yet reduce the size of the overall game would leave enough space for a longer game. That's assuming that these games are uncompressed though. Just because these games are short and really big on graphics doesn't mean they have to use less graphics. Looking at the 360, with it's DVD9 limit, the graphics are probably uncompressed on said PS3 games. Like I said before, this is just the beginning of the generation, developing on a new system, developers might want to start out small and work their way up instead of going all out making the perfect game...get a little experience with the programming. Naughty Dog could have probably made Uncharted longer and do like Konami is with MGS4 if it wasn't for the fact they had to get used to the new environment. They switched from programming in GOAL on the PS2 games to programming with C++ I believe for Uncharted. While the games are short...people seem to be making them out to be like an hour or two short. A solid game is a solid game...I still plan on playing them despite the lengths. ....Somewhere I belong
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