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 Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:23 pm
there are people in the extended religious forum claiming that they are christian witches!i explained that a christian cannot be a witch and a christian both,but they are now furious with and every quote from the bible i give is 'not relevent','outdated' because of the OT and so-on.
there are also 'satanists' claiming that they are different to 'wiccans','pagans' and 'witches' and as far as i am concerned they are all pagan no matter what name they call themselves. some are even argueing about the difference between 'magic' and 'magick'!i feel christianity is being slurred and i would really appreciate if one or two people explained the truth on this thread to clear up the idea of christian witches.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 5:45 pm
First thing's first: You can't be a Christian witch. You can be a witch and follow morals from Christianity, but that's it. You become a Christian, you follow all the rules. Not just the witchcraft ones, but the ones that say to follow no other gods before God.
Secondly, Satanists are different to the other pagans. There are two types of Satanists: atheists that use the name because they admire Satan for rebelling against God, and Satanists that actually worship Satan. Pagans don't worship Satan. All of their religions worship different gods and goddesses that have to do with nature (please correct me if I'm wrong).
I know nothing about the difference between magic and magick. Sorry.
Hope that cleared things up.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:13 pm
GuardianAngel44 First thing's first: You can't be a Christian witch. You can be a witch and follow morals from Christianity, but that's it. You become a Christian, you follow all the rules. Not just the witchcraft ones, but the ones that say to follow no other gods before God. I think whether they follow other gods or not depends on what kind of witch they are, doesn't it?
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:15 pm
Merriam-Webster's Dictionary Main Entry: pa·gan Pronunciation: ˈpā-gən Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Late Latin paganus, from Latin, civilian, country dweller, from pagus country district; akin to Latin pangere to fix — more at pact Date: 14th century 1: heathen 1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome) 2: one who has little or no religion and who delights in sensual pleasures and material goods : an irreligious or hedonistic person3: neo-pagan I suppose many Satanists could be considered pagan.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:43 pm
Satanism by LaVey has nothing to do with Satan (technically). It is all about love of self.
Magic is fantasy book magic. Magick is real-world magic. The distinction was made by, oh someone. I believe it was Gerald Gardner, creator of Wicca. There is essentially no difference. They just want to look cool.
You can be a witch and not be wiccan. A witch is just someone who practices magic. It doesn't have to be gods worship. Wiccans don't have to use magic. You can worship the gods in a similar way to Christianity: songs and serving, and whatnot.
Not all religions that are considered "pagan" worship gods. Druids, bards and shamans do not, though many revere the earth as high as a diety.
Some magic involves the heralds of Adonai: angels. I don't know much about angel magic, though.
Laying on hands, praying over people, anointing with oil, are magical practices done by Christians. Magic is the channeling of a god's power.
That is all. Don't shoot me.
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Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:42 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 First thing's first: You can't be a Christian witch. You can be a witch and follow morals from Christianity, but that's it. You become a Christian, you follow all the rules. Not just the witchcraft ones, but the ones that say to follow no other gods before God. I think whether they follow other gods or not depends on what kind of witch they are, doesn't it? If they don't follow other gods, then they are still doing what is considered witchcraft.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:02 am
I think he was saying you could be a witch and not follow another god.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:59 pm
And I was saying that regardless, they are still breaking a commandment.
And why would I want to shoot you?
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:14 pm
GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 First thing's first: You can't be a Christian witch. You can be a witch and follow morals from Christianity, but that's it. You become a Christian, you follow all the rules. Not just the witchcraft ones, but the ones that say to follow no other gods before God. I think whether they follow other gods or not depends on what kind of witch they are, doesn't it? If they don't follow other gods, then they are still doing what is considered witchcraft. Point being... question
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:31 pm
Quote: And why would I want to shoot you? Some Christians might be offended by my views on their practices being a form of magic.
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:04 pm
Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 First thing's first: You can't be a Christian witch. You can be a witch and follow morals from Christianity, but that's it. You become a Christian, you follow all the rules. Not just the witchcraft ones, but the ones that say to follow no other gods before God. I think whether they follow other gods or not depends on what kind of witch they are, doesn't it? If they don't follow other gods, then they are still doing what is considered witchcraft. Point being... question
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Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:38 pm
Lyneun Quote: And why would I want to shoot you? Some Christians might be offended by my views on their practices being a form of magic.
Most magic is sleight of hand, trickery and illusion, much like the magic practiced by illusionists.
Some magics go beyond mere trickery and affect the physical world. These magics are often practiced by those who say it's by some other power than the Spirit of God in line with the Word. These magics aren't of God, even if they are seen as positive.
Laying on of hands, praying and anointing people with oil are not magical practices. It's not the channelling of some kind of airy-fairy magical power we're talking about here.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 3:19 am
I could've sworn we were having this discussion elsewhere, about the difference between magic and God's Spirit. Oh! Someone was saying that praying and having that prayer answered was the same as magic because you use words to get something done (much like casting a spell). The difference between magic and God's power is that God's power is strictly that: it comes from God, is of God, and is used at His discretion. Magic comes from man (or is man utilizing nature in a way that isn't ... natural? I'm having a hard time articulating here -o-). The biggest difference is that one relies on the ability of the person (magic takes practice to master, doesn't it?) where as the other relies solely on God (praying doesn't get you bigger or better results the more you do it, though the more you do it the more you may realize just how often those prayers get answered; it's still different though). The ideas might be similar, but at their core they are different.
And Poppy, what's the thread? I'll check it out and see if I don't kill myself getting worked up.
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:26 am
Quote: Laying on of hands, praying and anointing people with oil are not magical practices. It's not the channelling of some kind of airy-fairy magical power we're talking about here. So...what are they? They are channelling..what exactly? If it's God's power, by definition, it's magic (though not neccesarially witchcraft). Even if you [in general] don't believe in other gods, and that Adonai is the only God, they are still channelling a power from somewhere (nature, fae, "divine" beings, [fallen] angels, other people). The channelling of a power, the shaping of the physical according to will. Magic. sweatdrop (Oh, I was wrong. In looking around for a definition of magic (of which there were several but paragraphs long sad ) I found it wasn't Gardner who coined "magick" but Aleister Crowley.)
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:17 pm
Priestley Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 Lethkhar GuardianAngel44 First thing's first: You can't be a Christian witch. You can be a witch and follow morals from Christianity, but that's it. You become a Christian, you follow all the rules. Not just the witchcraft ones, but the ones that say to follow no other gods before God. I think whether they follow other gods or not depends on what kind of witch they are, doesn't it? If they don't follow other gods, then they are still doing what is considered witchcraft. Point being... question So are a lot of things that are practised by Christians. Eating shellfish, for example.
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