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there are people in the extended religious forum claiming that they are christian witches!i explained that a christian cannot be a witch and a christian both,but they are now furious with and every quote from the bible i give is 'not relevent','outdated' because of the OT and so-on.
there are also 'satanists' claiming that they are different to 'wiccans','pagans' and 'witches' and as far as i am concerned they are all pagan no matter what name they call themselves. some are even argueing about the difference between 'magic' and 'magick'!i feel christianity is being slurred and i would really appreciate if one or two people explained the truth on this thread to clear up the idea of christian witches.

and on which parts of what she said are you saying are valid?

in the OT God has given direction not to mess with magic b/c it is against who he is b/c it is the attempt..and sometimes the success...of trying to receive some sort of power from something other the God....such as satan, nature, one's 'inner-self.' anything that takes one's focus from God and the power that he gives us through the Holy Spirit is sin. and the power that the Holy Spirit gives to us is not the same as what magic is trying to do. it is a power to be bold strong and courageous when the odds are against you, it is the power to stand up for what's right and just when nobody else will. it is the power to persevere in spite of persecution. it is also the power to change the hearts of those who God calls to him [which is everyone...and yet specific ppl all at the same time].

now i can see their calling the differences between types of magics and cults and such as being valid b/c yes they are all different in what they believe. however they are still what can be considered pagan/heathen religions/belief systems as a whole....but one must be careful not to place them in to the whole when we are dealing with them individually b/c they are each affected by their differences.

for poppy: if they are calling the OT outdated then use something from the NT...then they can't claim that..here are a few possibilities



also Acts 8:9-24 and Acts 19:13-19

now to say that the OT is invalid isn't true. it is still just as valid today as it was then. those who do not believe in Christ are still judged by the law that was given so long ago. as well as are those who do believe in Christ...the only difference is follows of Christ are forgiven fully for what disobedience we do. but that doesn't give us an excuse to go out and do whatever we please. under the new covenant the laws of the old become guidelines, heavily weighted mind you. they are there to let us see where we sin, to let us know what separates us from God. for if it weren't for the law we wouldn't be able to recognize our sin...even though we would still be in it. Just as Jesus said, he did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it...meaning to live it perfectly so that we don't have to b/c God knows that we can't. so yes we are no longer bound to the OT laws b/c we no longer have the consequences of breaking the law, which is spiritual death, but we are still under the law meaning we are still expected to live holy and pure lives, which can only be lived if one knows what it looks like. one can only know what it looks like by looking at the laws.

it's impossible to be a Christian and a witch. Also, witches and wiccans are the same thing. Witches are what we first called wiccans, though the actually connotation and even denotation has changed throughout history - but they're still the same. And 'Pagan' refers to anything not Christian - though you see it used most often to describe barbaric religions. And 'Magic' and "magick'? Wow, these people need to get their brain cells together. Because, A.) It's Magyk and b.) it's simply an older form of english.

unfortunately, aside form pointing out nit-picky flaws in their argument, I can't help you much. But I will pray for you and them. good luck!

i gave countless quotes from the Ot and NT,but they just pick holes in them and have a go with me about my learning difficulties. crying

i have a disculcalia,a mathematical for of dyslexia,learning the time at 14,that sort of thing.also my grammar is not so hot,so i'm getting a hard time about that.

your advice is good,i have been praying for that main person having a go at me for LD.

hmmm...agreed...it's an unfortunate thing though..makes me sad

Bold claims, but do you have any references to back them up?

Even if you had a source showing that there were "Christians" that practiced magic, not all who call themselves "Christian" are true Christians. I am guessing that you are probably referring to some events in the middle ages, back then it was worse then it is now. In Europe you had no option, you were Christian (Catholic to be more precise) and that was pretty much all you knew. If you are trying to say that what done in past generations is acceptable, then you would have no problem if we started another crusade, or even better, an inquisition! (I'm kidding, those weren't right then and they aren't right now)