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 Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:13 pm
I previously posted this in the FF7 thread. Azure Phoenix Korena_Love And hereby I say...Hm...I'll have to double check the script again, but I think Tifa and Aeris were equal in how often they brought up the promise/bodyguard thing. Anyway, Cloud's kinda stuck with Tifa now since Aeris is back in the lifestream with her first love, Zack. ^_^ And away again.
But mainly, I wanted to cite when Cloud was missing and Tifa's constant, "If Cloud were here, everything would be okay," in contrast to Aeris visiting him in his dream, "... and let me handle Sephiroth." She could've easily said, "I'm a Cetra and I can stop Seph, but I need you to protect me 'cause I hired your spikey-a**." XD After all, she went into the Forgotten Forest by herself, which is potentially dangerous...
Even you can argue that it really wasn't Aeris visiting him, but in that case, you can say that is the way Cloud's subconcious perceives her.
... well, anyway. *trails off*
I think what I wanted to point out was that Tifa is emotionally unstable, as seen by her dependency on Cloud, whereas Aeris is more stable, and that would be a more healthy choice for Cloud. Then again, fools in love might not always do what's best for them.I simply can't stand it when people say that Tifa is emotionally unstable while Aeris isn’t. How is Aeris stable at all? She immediately attaches herself to the first guy that reminds her of Zack, then asks this stranger out on a date when she doesn't even know him. Then takes him home to meet her mom and then doesn't let him leave without her, then follows him even though he tries to ditch her a few times. And what do you say about a 22 year old woman that has a job, still living with her mother? Aeris doesn’t sound stable at all. It’s Aeris that’s always literality clinging to Cloud while Tifa stands on the side and watches. If anything, Aeris sounds like a despite nut case. There is little to nothing about Aeris that says "independent" or "emotionally stable." Now for Tifa… Tifa’s mom died when she was 14 and then her dad was murdered by Sephiroth at age 16. She was taken in by a martial artiest who taught her to fight and defend herself. Then at some point even that guy dies. Tifa was by herself, without the love and support of family or friends, for a long time. It was Tifa who meet Barret and decided to create Avalanche. It was Tifa that opened up the 7th Heaven bar and made a hid away for Avalanche. It was Tifa that worked her a** off to support everyone in Avalanche. It was Tifa that kept everyone including Cloud together. It was Tifa that was willing step back and let Aeris develop a relationship with Cloud even though she had been in love with him since she was a kid. It was Tifa that helped Cloud regain his own memories back. Now how can an emotionally unstable person manage to do all of that practically by herself? The fact stands that if Tifa were truly emotional unstable she would have had a nerves breakdown a long time ago. Just because she wants the love and emotional support of the one person she loves most in the world, doesn’t mean she’s unstable, and to be completely honest, I’m sick of hearing it because it’s a load of BS.
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:02 pm
I agree! Tifa is emotionally strong but like any human being, she too has her weak moments like when Cloud was gone and she remarked that "if Cloud were here..." Even Barret was surprised. He knew her to be strong. Tifa had just lost Cloud, why not grieve a little? She grieved for her father, her mother and afterwards she moved on. That's an emotionally stable person! Aeris is physically dependent on Cloud and she's extremely level-headed, but she too has her moments of weakness like the Cosmo Canyon scene. Everyone is always picking on Tifa for being weak when she is very strong. So what if you're human? confused
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:09 pm
Twindream I agree! Tifa is emotionally strong but like any human being, she too has her weak moments like when Cloud was gone and she remarked that "if Cloud were here..." Even Barret was surprised. He knew her to be strong. Tifa had just lost Cloud, why not grieve a little? She grieved for her father, her mother and afterwards she moved on. That's an emotionally stable person! Aeris is physically dependent on Cloud and she's extremely level-headed, but she too has her moments of weakness like the Cosmo Canyon scene. Everyone is always picking on Tifa for being weak when she is very strong. So what if you're human? confused I don't think Aeris can be what you would call "level-headed." I mean, she's really immature and childish for someone her age. But thats just me I suppose.
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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:40 pm
well for me i hate emotion because they make you do things that you would almost never do.like when i hear a song one time.i said i would never feel sad to a song but sometimes life makes it hard for you to think.so in that case its a combo of emotions and what ever problem in the way.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:22 am
You know what I hate about rabid Aerith bashers to make Tifa look good they have to make Aerith look bad. But dont worry Tifa bashers are the same. : OQuote: She immediately attaches herself to the first guy that reminds her of Zack. Quote: then asks this stranger out on a date when she doesn't even know him Quote: And what do you say about a 22 year old woman that has a job, still living with her mother? Aeris doesn’t sound stable at all.
You know that's not actually her mother right? Aerith's mother is Ilfana and her father is Professor Gast. Aerith's father was murdered in front of her eyes by a crazy mad scientist and her mother was killed when she was young as well. She was a scared and confused orphan who could the calls of the planet. She had so much to deal with as a child, much more than any other ordinary kid. Even when she got older things still were bad. She didnt have a real home or real friends/family to go to like Cloud and Tifa, her first love disappeared etc and you want to know something? She never let that get to her. She continued avoiding the Shinra, she kept selling flowers, she was able to continuning living with Ms.Gainsbourogh, she was able to journey with Cloud and everyone and she led a happy life even though she had so many hardships to deal with. So if you EVER try to say Aerith is 'unstable' or 'had any easy childhood' you are completely dellusional.
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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:34 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. You know what I hate about rabid Aerith bashers to make Tifa look good they have to make Aerith look bad. But dont worry Tifa bashers are the same. : O Wow isn't this the pot calling the kettle black! But honestly Aeris never seemed all there because of her surprising lack of good judgment and logic. She just makes bad calls through the game and one of which eventually leads to her death. .[.pink.spider.]. *sigh* I dont know if you know this but Aerith really liked Zack. He was her first love. They promised that they would meet again and after that Zack disappears. Then after a few years Aerith bumps into a guy that reminds her of Zack and she probably believes that they have met again so of course she is attracted to the fact that he appears like her first love. Aerith initially gets to know Cloud because he reminds her of Zack but she realizes that they are nothing alike and it doesnt take a genius to figure that out. So to say that Aerith loved Cloud only because of Zack is completely ignoring everything Aerith has said/done and everything that square has said. But then again you never listen anyways. It's not about weather Aeris ended up loving Cloud for Cloud or not. My argument is that the way she acted toward Cloud was somewhat creppy. Wanting to date some stranger just because he looks and acts like you're last boyfriend is really creppy. .[.pink.spider.]. And why do you ask someone out on a date? To get to know them obviously. : D Aeris asked Cloud on a date when she had only spoken to him for less then 5 minuets and didn't even know his name. .[.pink.spider.]. And what do you say about a 21 year old woman who bashes imaginary characters?... And how mature is someone who makes hypicritical coments. .[.pink.spider.]. You know that's not actually her mother right? Aerith's mother is Ilfana and her father is Professor Gast. Aerith's father was murdered in front of her eyes by a crazy mad scientist and her mother was killed when she was young as well. She was a scared and confused orphan who could the calls of the planet. She had so much to deal with as a child, much more than any other ordinary kid. Even when she got older things still were bad. She didnt have a real home or real friends/family to go to like Cloud and Tifa, her first love disappeared etc and you want to know something? She never let that get to her. She continued avoiding the Shinra, she kept selling flowers, she was able to continuning living with Ms.Gainsbourogh, she was able to journey with Cloud and everyone and she led a happy life even though she had so many hardships to deal with. So if you EVER try to say Aerith is 'unstable' or 'had any easy childhood' you are completely dellusional.
I never said that Aeris had an easy childhood!! Why don't you actually read what I wrote before you go off ranting. And Elmira was just as much a mother to Aeris as Ilfana was. Just because they weren't related doesn't mean that they weren't family. Oh and A woman who is 22, acts like a 14 year old, doesn't have a legitimate job, and still lives with her mother to support herself, doesn't scream stable to me.
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Truthiness3x4 Vice Captain
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:45 pm
Let's not make this thread about Aeris, please. Anyway, yes. Tifa has her moments of weakness but this does not make her emotionally unstable. Tifa believes in Cloud, sometimes a little more than she does herself, but that doesn't make her weak. She loves Cloud, he's her hero. Both Aeris and Tifa had very rough childhoods and both of them grew up to be strong women. To call either of them weak is silly.
Also on the part of Aeris living with her mother, they were in the slums so it was probably best for them to stick together. The slums isn't a safe place for a woman to be alone, especially since Aeris always had ShinRa on her tail.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:48 pm
RanmaxHikaru I simply can't stand it when people say that Tifa is emotionally unstable while Aeris isn’t. How is Aeris stable at all? She immediately attaches herself to the first guy that reminds her of Zack, then asks this stranger out on a date when she doesn't even know him. Then takes him home to meet her mom and then doesn't let him leave without her, then follows him even though he tries to ditch her a few times. And what do you say about a 22 year old woman that has a job, still living with her mother? Aeris doesn’t sound stable at all. It’s Aeris that’s always literality clinging to Cloud while Tifa stands on the side and watches. If anything, Aeris sounds like a despite nut case. There is little to nothing about Aeris that says "independent" or "emotionally stable."  I don't think this shows how Aeris is emotionally unstable. I think this shows that Aeris is merely, lonely. She lost Zack, and she spent all that time waiting around for him. It's really sad when you look at it: What other friends does she have? She appreciates even Tsengs company for Gods sake. When she meets Cloud and he looks strikingly similar to Zack and even acts the same way, of course she's going to try and befriend him. I think her being persistent and not letting Cloud leave is a sign of something: She doesn't want to be alone. She doesn't want to lose Zack all over again, in a sense. It's kind of like she's pretending that Zack really did come back for her, or something. Which ties in with the whole Aeris in denial thing that I believe in ever so much. And I believe some-one in this Guild mentioned it... Tifa acts the same way. She invites herself to join Cloud though he protests, in order to try and ensure her ultimate safety. He was doing the same thing for Aeris--- it's not like he hated her in the beginning or anything. He wasn't trying to escape her house like it were a prison--- he was trying to leave so that she would be safe. That's all there is to it. Aeris isn't an unstable psychopathic stalker. She's lonely, and I DO think she has her emotional breakdowns. Everybody does. However, I must admit that she was definitely more comfortable and stable with her feelings, and didn't lock things away inside her heart like Tifa did. That's why her last name isn't Lockheart. :]Quote: Now for Tifa… Tifa’s mom died when she was 14 and then her dad was murdered by Sephiroth at age 16. She was taken in by a martial artiest who taught her to fight and defend herself. Then at some point even that guy dies. Tifa was by herself, without the love and support of family or friends, for a long time. It was Tifa who meet Barret and decided to create Avalanche. It was Tifa that opened up the 7th Heaven bar and made a hid away for Avalanche. It was Tifa that worked her a** off to support everyone in Avalanche. It was Tifa that kept everyone including Cloud together. It was Tifa that was willing step back and let Aeris develop a relationship with Cloud even though she had been in love with him since she was a kid. It was Tifa that helped Cloud regain his own memories back. Now how can an emotionally unstable person manage to do all of that practically by herself? The fact stands that if Tifa were truly emotional unstable she would have had a nerves breakdown a long time ago. Just because she wants the love and emotional support of the one person she loves most in the world, doesn’t mean she’s unstable, and to be completely honest, I’m sick of hearing it because it’s a load of BS. Aeris' mother and father were lost as well. We can't forget that. Aeris had to watch her Mother die, just as Tifa had to watch her father die. I like how you are mentioning that Tifa was alone for a long time, because everyone had started dying around her... it's sad, but this exact thing is happening to Aeris, you must understand. :/ I mean, Aeris at least had Elmyra to go to, which makes Tifa's situation slightly more difficult (I like using the fact that Cloud and Tifa both have no-one else to go back to but one another. :]]) IMO. But still, Aeris had lost a lot of close people too. She's obviously not skilled in the martial arts area, and even if she wanted to she probably couldn't find anyone who could train her, you know? Selling flowers actually makes logical sense if you think about it. They've got a whole damn garden full, so why not use what you have to at least try and make what ever bit you can, no matter how small? It all adds up in the end. Tifa is emotionally unstable. She keeps her feelings locked inside, and she doesn't even know herself at times. She's made plenty of mistakes that she regrets, and there are a ton of things she has left unsaid that she still wants to say. Whereas Aeris can simply just say anything that's on her mind or in her heart. Tifa of course, is amazing for all of the things she's done as you listed RxH, but just because she is holding everyone else together, doesn't mean she is totally secure with her own self.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:21 pm
Tifa? Emotionally unstable? biggest load of "you know what".
I completely agree with you RanmaxHikaru
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:13 pm
RanmaxHikaru Twindream I agree! Tifa is emotionally strong but like any human being, she too has her weak moments like when Cloud was gone and she remarked that "if Cloud were here..." Even Barret was surprised. He knew her to be strong. Tifa had just lost Cloud, why not grieve a little? She grieved for her father, her mother and afterwards she moved on. That's an emotionally stable person! Aeris is physically dependent on Cloud and she's extremely level-headed, but she too has her moments of weakness like the Cosmo Canyon scene. Everyone is always picking on Tifa for being weak when she is very strong. So what if you're human? confused I don't think Aeris can be what you would call "level-headed." I mean, she's really immature and childish for someone her age. But thats just me I suppose.
I deffiently disagree with it when ever anybody says that Tifa is emotionally unstable, if anything she was the most stable person in that game. I mean, here you have Cloud who is a total nut job (sorry. Don't attack me for that please.) and Vincent who for some reason seems to think that sleeping in a coffin for however many years will solve everything, and Yuffie who is a total clepto... then you have Tifa.
I completely disagree with what that Azure Phoenix person wrote. I don't think Tifa is dependednt on Cloud at all. I mean... she clearly is responible and independent enough to start her own business, and help take care of Marlene while Barret is away, and still have time to help with AVALANCHE. All those years without Cloud, and she managed just fine on her own.
Tifa? Emotionally unstable? I think not.
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Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:49 pm
Emotionally unstable is a really harsh word.
I can't think of a word right now to describe them, but only Cloud would fit under that category of "unstable", and with good reason.
Tifa is kind of on one track -- take care of Cloud and keep him safe. It's a determined emotion, one that seems rather stable to me.
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Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:50 am
I wouldn't say Aeris is unstable but she is definetly clingy and desperate
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:58 am
Muchs_pygmy I wouldn't say Aeris is unstable but she is definetly clingy and desperate
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:33 pm
.[.pink.spider.]. Muchs_pygmy I wouldn't say Aeris is unstable but she is definetly clingy and desperate
I still stand by the fact that she is rather clingy, but desperate is pushing it a bit. More than a bit, actually. ^^;
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Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:15 pm
ShmexyZexy .[.pink.spider.]. Muchs_pygmy I wouldn't say Aeris is unstable but she is definetly clingy and desperate
I still stand by the fact that she is rather clingy, but desperate is pushing it a bit. More than a bit, actually. ^^;I'd have to agree with you there. Aeris is definitely clingy. And I would ask how exactly would you define desperate. Desperate is too strong a word but she is extremely dependent on Cloud.
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