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Macaroni Jesus

PostPosted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:27 pm


Im just wondering if anyone in this guild has a thanksgiving where they add their own Jewish touch to it?
Do you have a kosher thanksgiving?
Do you serve brisket instead of turkey?

Indulge me.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:23 am


I celebrate Thanksgiving once in October and once in November, a Canadian and an American holiday. But they're both very Jewish.

Of course all the food is kosher, just like all the food in the rest of my year. This means soymilk instead of cow's milk in my sweet potato pie and corn chowder.

A Jewish Yom Hode'ah (Day of Thanks/Acknowledgment/Bowing) means that, while there's no brachah on it, I do light candles as a way of initiating the celebration and the meal, which takes place around nightfall instead of earlier in the day. There's a certain amount of ritual to the meal, not formalized, but nevertheless there are certain things I always serve (not the same recipe every year, just the same idea), certain things that always get said (not scripted, they just tend to happen). It's very much a seder -- meaning, an ordered, orderly observation.

And of course, there's the yearly acknowledgment of the thousands of Native Americans who were slaughtered and treated very harshly by the European American conquerers. Like breaking a glass at a wedding to recall the destruction of the Temple, I can't have a celebration of thanks without recalling those who have a lot more to be upset about than thankful for.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:06 am


Divash


And of course, there's the yearly acknowledgment of the thousands of Native Americans who were slaughtered and treated very harshly by the European American conquerers. Like breaking a glass at a wedding to recall the destruction of the Temple, I can't have a celebration of thanks without recalling those who have a lot more to be upset about than thankful for.


We did brisket once, but for some reason went back to the "traditional" American turkey; I much prefer your view of it, Divash.

Personally, I also just enjoy spending time with my family, and seeing my brother back from college.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:27 pm


Hmm, well turkey day at my house is usual the usual Norman Rockwell on Thanksgiving image, but on Vicodin.

And by that I mean, there's usually a lot of stress and underlying tension within our house and we need to bury our emotions by lots and lots of booze.

I think I had maybe, a quarter pint of bourbon and half a bottle of white bordeaux.

Lets see...

I don't like my brother as a human being, I think he's a selfish, arrogant, a** and want as little to do with him as physically possible

My sister is a non-wiccan pagan who married another pagan and is home schooling her 3 kids because she doesn't trust public schools, which sits oh so well with my parents.

Everyone's rather picky about what they will and will not eat. 3 kosher folks, 2 diabetics, a failing liver, someone who's alergic to sulfites, another's alergic to fish, and one who won't eat anything unless it's deep fried and covered in bacon.

Yeah, I have lots to give thanks about.

To me, thanksgiving is an American Holiday where we enjoy our land of plenty by eating vast quantities of peasant foods and traditional faire in a supurfluious tribute to the harvest as we remember how the europeans showed up on the shores of America, and couldn't figure out how to grow food until the natives showed up and taught them everything they knew, and to thank them for their trouble. The European settlers did to the natives what the Germans did to Polish in the 30s.

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famusamu

PostPosted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:25 pm


Shalom all! Interesting fun fact: You can't have Thanksgiving with-out Turkey! The Hebrew word for Turkey and for Thanksgiving are the same word... hodu! The Hebrew name for the holiday of thanksgiving is "chag ha-hodaya." "Hodu l'Adonai, ki tov" which translated means, "Giving thanks to G-d for He is good." The Hebrew word "hodu" means "giving thanks" and is related to the Hebrew word "todah," which means "thank you." However, "hodu"is also the Hebrew word for "turkey." So we can translate the same phrase (Hodu l'Adonai ki tov) this way: "Eating turkey for the sake of G-d is good!" The word "hodu" from our festival psalm of praise means both "giving thanks" and "turkey!" Finally, the English word, "turkey"may have its origins in the Hebrew word "tookie" which is the word for another large feather, the Parrot. Christopher Columbus and “Luis de Torres, a Jew baptized shortly before Columbus' fleet sailed,was the interpreter of the expedition. (..) He discovered “a large wild bird with a head and body very similar to the peacock. The male even had a feather display which, while not as spectacular, resembled the peacocks. De Torres, with his background of Biblical Hebrew but poor ornithological knowledge, called this bird a tukki or tookie, which over the centuries has been corrupted into our "turkey." http://www.jewishworldreview.com/1199/TALKIN'1.ASP
PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:42 am


Interesting fact. "Hodu" the verb meaning "to thank" is spelled heh-vav-dalet-heh, and comes from the root word hodeh, meaning "to thank, acknowledge." This in turn comes from the only two-letter Hebrew root word, dalet-ayin, meaning "to know," just as the English word acknowledge comes from the word know.

"Hodu" the turkey is spelled heh-dalet-vav. The Hebrew word for India is Hodi, heh-dalet-yud. The word "turkey" doesn't mean "bird of Thanksgiving," but rather, "Indian chicken."

I have this information from my Israeli co-worker, who frankly laughed when I suggested that possibly the bird's Hebrew name came from an American emigrant with a sense of humor. He studied linguistics extensively in school, so while I'm no scholar and can be wrong, I trust his knowledge far more than my own.

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RaisaRose

PostPosted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:18 pm


I have a "normal" thanksgiving, but then, I'm not very religious.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:17 pm


Divash
Interesting fact. "Hodu" the verb meaning "to thank" is spelled heh-vav-dalet-heh, and comes from the root word hodeh, meaning "to thank, acknowledge." This in turn comes from the only two-letter Hebrew root word, dalet-ayin, meaning "to know," just as the English word acknowledge comes from the word know.

"Hodu" the turkey is spelled heh-dalet-vav. The Hebrew word for India is Hodi, heh-dalet-yud. The word "turkey" doesn't mean "bird of Thanksgiving," but rather, "Indian chicken."

I have this information from my Israeli co-worker, who frankly laughed when I suggested that possibly the bird's Hebrew name came from an American emigrant with a sense of humor. He studied linguistics extensively in school, so while I'm no scholar and can be wrong, I trust his knowledge far more than my own.


I like your version better, It's a great story.

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Severus-snape-the-second

PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 4:04 pm


I ussualy have a Kosher thanksgiving. Because alot of the times the people I am having it with are also Jewish.
PostPosted: Sat Nov 24, 2007 8:23 pm


LordNeuf
I like your version better, It's a great story.


Heh. It does have the benefit of accuracy, but I kind of prefer your version. More poetic.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:06 am


Divash
LordNeuf
I like your version better, It's a great story.


Heh. It does have the benefit of accuracy, but I kind of prefer your version. More poetic.


My version of Turkey Day? were the family gets together and argues about who's health is failing the fastest?

"A fever, a hundred and six is not a fever! I WAS DEAD FOR SIX MONTHS AND DIDN'T KNOW IT! I came back because the Jews have always had a sense of humor!"

That one?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 5:44 pm


LordNeuf
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LordNeuf
I like your version better, It's a great story.


Heh. It does have the benefit of accuracy, but I kind of prefer your version. More poetic.


My version of Turkey Day? were the family gets together and argues about who's health is failing the fastest?

"A fever, a hundred and six is not a fever! I WAS DEAD FOR SIX MONTHS AND DIDN'T KNOW IT! I came back because the Jews have always had a sense of humor!"

That one?


No. The version wherein "hodu" the bird means "thanks" instead of "Indian chicken." Or did I get mixed up about who wrote that? Hm, it seems I did. Famusamu wrote that. Never mind, then. No, Neuf, your version of Thanksgiving doesn't sound all that pleasant. I'd be tempted to skip that entirely, or else go spend it among people who think and act with positivity and graciousness.

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TheLittleInu

PostPosted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:11 pm


We had turkey, but the day before we had brisket with the relatives. If that counts. XD
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