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 Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:50 pm
wahmbulance graphic material ahead wahmbulance
Ok, so, here's something that's kind of bugging me. I eat meat, it tastes good. However, I feel that I am a hypocrite to eat meat but not take part in the process. Animals are slaughtered every day. Think about that, long and hard. They are killed, they have their organs removed, cut away from the spine, pulled free from the ribcage. Their joints are severed, the flesh stripped from the bone. Every hamburger was once a cow.
Now, I feel that, in order to justify doing this, I need to be able to kill, gut, skin and butcher an animal. I have looked up the details online and I know that it will not be easy. It is not a simple act of "Shoot and eat". You must slice up from the genitals to the ribcage, remove the stomach organs, then cut from the asophagus to remove the heart and lungs from the ribcage. After this, you have to bleed the animal, which means basically cutting it's throat and letting it bleed out. After that, we get into skinning and cutting off the bones at the joints. Long story short, it is a very death-orientated process, in which I must literally be elbow-deep in death. Not my idea of a good time. However, I feel that unless I do this, I cannot justify eating meat. I cannot justify taking part in the end result if I cannot deal with the process myself.
And I would urge everyone who eats meat to do the same, at least once. Kill and gut your own food. Take part in the process that happens to every animal you eat anyway.
Thoughts? Opinions? Tofu recepies?
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:57 pm
Oh, honey, no.
I can not deal with hunting. I am completely opposed to it... for me, that is. I have no problem with anyone else hunting, but I have a fear of dead animals, and it's quite... severe. I can't look at an animal corpse without shivering.
I still eat the meat, but the process of killing it, I can't deal with.
Plus, when I lived way up north, they hunted a lot, and they skinned the animals, and dried their meat over fires and such, and it was just... it was enough to last me the rest of my life, as far as hunting goes. Too much blood for me, and I hate guns, too, so yeah. xp
I'll stick to things that go more harmoniously with my particular interests, and areas of expertise.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:58 pm
No thank you. I'm fine just eating it (I don't feel guilty or like a hypocrite cause it's just part of life, plus I don't think I can bring myself to do it).
Besides I can't eat much meat anyways, I have becareful of the meat I eat.
I do thing that some slaughter houses don't always kill animals in a humane way, that should change.
Just be cause their food, doesn't mean they should suffer.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:19 pm
This is exactly why I turned vegetarian actually. I decided that unless I was comfortable killing the animal I was eating, I should no be eating it.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:30 pm
Beware the Jabberwock This is exactly why I turned vegetarian actually. I decided that unless I was comfortable killing the animal I was eating, I should no be eating it. I'm the exact opposite of Miranda here. I can infact see myself killing and fixing the cow or pig or lamb or chiken or duck. Unless I intend to eat it though, I wont kill it, and unless I can see my self doing the deed, I cant eat it,
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:20 pm
Well, I don't feel like I need to be able to perform surgery myself in order to receive surgery, and I don't feel like a hypocrite for it. I think just knowing is enough in that aspect, and perhaps watching a few videos.
Although, I do think that people should also do research on the animals they like to eat. You know, about their social behavior, habits, comparative intelligence, things like that, to find out if they're too "human" (for lack of a better word) to eat.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:23 pm
McPhee I have a fear of dead animals, and it's quite... severe. I can't look at an animal corpse without shivering.
I still eat the meat, That's Ironic. XD
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:49 pm
Conren Well, I don't feel like I need to be able to perform surgery myself in order to receive surgery, and I don't feel like a hypocrite for it. I think just knowing is enough in that aspect, and perhaps watching a few videos. Although, I do think that people should also do research on the animals they like to eat. You know, about their social behavior, habits, comparative intelligence, things like that, to find out if they're too "human" (for lack of a better word) to eat. I agree, that is the same way I feel. Knowing about it is the most important thing to do (epsecially if your going to eat it. You don't want to eat something you don't know about, just like you won't get surgery without knowing about what is wrong).
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:51 pm
Conren Well, I don't feel like I need to be able to perform surgery myself in order to receive surgery, and I don't feel like a hypocrite for it. I think just knowing is enough in that aspect, and perhaps watching a few videos. Although, I do think that people should also do research on the animals they like to eat. You know, about their social behavior, habits, comparative intelligence, things like that, to find out if they're too "human" (for lack of a better word) to eat. Humans and animals are on the same level for this hunter. Given the only reason I don't eat humans really has nothing to do with religion or morality more so then it does health. Human meat is among the most unhealthy meat on the planet, well...for the common human I mean. Its also much easier to hunt something that doesn't know how to shoot back. Yes, I'm going to go after something weaker then me. I'd like to have the energy to skin and eat after I kill. So, the idea of an animal being too "human" doesn't bother me. Besides, the only reason I ever do research liek that on animals is to make the hunt much easier.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:48 am
Conren Well, I don't feel like I need to be able to perform surgery myself in order to receive surgery, and I don't feel like a hypocrite for it. I think just knowing is enough in that aspect, and perhaps watching a few videos. Although, I do think that people should also do research on the animals they like to eat. You know, about their social behavior, habits, comparative intelligence, things like that, to find out if they're too "human" (for lack of a better word) to eat. Surgery is kind of different, though. With surgery, this is something for yourself. Nothing dies if you have surgery. When you eat meat, you are eating a dead, prepared animal. And I think that people should take part in the process at least once. eidt- Not sure how hospital works, but if there is a surgical manager of sorts, who chooses the procedures and gives orders to the regular surgeons, I would want them to have done surgery before. That way they will have taken part in the process they are asking others to do, and will have seen the process they are having done to another person. Beware said it very well. If I can't kill an animal, I feel I have no business eating it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:04 pm
Tiger of the Fire Human meat is among the most unhealthy meat on the planet, well...for the common human I mean. Where'd you hear that? I always heard that human muscle is very low in fat and cholesterol.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:08 pm
divineseraph Conren Well, I don't feel like I need to be able to perform surgery myself in order to receive surgery, and I don't feel like a hypocrite for it. I think just knowing is enough in that aspect, and perhaps watching a few videos. Although, I do think that people should also do research on the animals they like to eat. You know, about their social behavior, habits, comparative intelligence, things like that, to find out if they're too "human" (for lack of a better word) to eat. Surgery is kind of different, though. With surgery, this is something for yourself. Nothing dies if you have surgery. When you eat meat, you are eating a dead, prepared animal. And I think that people should take part in the process at least once. eidt- Not sure how hospital works, but if there is a surgical manager of sorts, who chooses the procedures and gives orders to the regular surgeons, I would want them to have done surgery before. That way they will have taken part in the process they are asking others to do, and will have seen the process they are having done to another person. Beware said it very well. If I can't kill an animal, I feel I have no business eating it. But that's just your view and opinon, not mine. Not everyone is going to think like that or agree. I don't have to kill a chicken to eat it, i'll let the professionals handle that (that is what they'er paid for). I think as long as you know what does behind killing animals and preparing them for food and what exactly it is that your eating is good enough.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:09 pm
divineseraph If I can't kill an animal, I feel I have no business eating it. I think it depends on why you feel you can't hunt. If blood and guts in general disturb you, that's one thing, but if you can't kill something because you feel it's wrong, well...that's like saying "I think killing fetuses is horrible, but I'm pro-choice." Or "I think raping children is horrible, but I support child molesters."
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:46 pm
sachiko_sohma But that's just your view and opinon, not mine. Not everyone is going to think like that or agree. I don't have to kill a chicken to eat it, i'll let the professionals handle that (that is what they'er paid for). I think as long as you know what does behind killing animals and preparing them for food and what exactly it is that your eating is good enough.
I don't think that I need to feed my primal urges by hunting and killing small (or for that matter large) animals-- I have other ways to satisfy those.<3
Plus, on principle, I don't eat, say, veal. Blech.
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:43 pm
La Veuve Zin Tiger of the Fire Human meat is among the most unhealthy meat on the planet, well...for the common human I mean. Where'd you hear that? I always heard that human muscle is very low in fat and cholesterol. Muscle, yeah. I can see that. But that I actually read in an extreme survival guide. I think its the only extreme survival guide @_@. Talks about how to survive riots, terrorist hi-jaking, etc. It was written in the 1980s though... (no, not the zombie survival guide...though that was interesting to read too) But if thats the case, if I'm ever in a position where its offered to me, I'll have to try it. Try every thing at least once.
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