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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:23 am
this topic is partially quoting Manhunt 2's bad reputation. what do you think of this "controversy" surrounding violence, sex, language, etc. in games? here's some background information: the sex controversy started because of Night Trap, a game which featured some college girls in their nighties, a bunch of killers, and really bad acting. the violence controversy started as a result of the blood, gore, and graphic violence of Mortal Kombat. so, to keep these games out of the hands of children, and to make paranoid mothers happy, the ESRB was made. the controversy was ressurrected oncemore as a result of the Columbine Massacre in 1999, when the two teenage gunmen, Eric Harris and Dylan Kleborn, were huge Doom fans. so thus, began the anger studies. most of the test subjects were given a copy of Doom to play, and a psychiatrist would watch, and moniter their brain activity. the tests failed. there was no link between video games, and anger issues. the controversy was silent for a while, until that Hot Coffee mod for GTA: San Andreas was released. parents went absolutely insane. now, this whole political controversy has sparked, thanks to infamous lawyer, Jack Thompson, and his partner in crime, Hilary Clinton. yes, Hilary Clinton wants to ban most video games out there. so, I ask, do you support this controversy, or do you think it's a load of s**t? please state the reason for your answer.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:49 am
Before I dive into this discussion, promise me one thing, that you'll be thinking along the way with some of your own opinions and not feed off of the responses you may get for this thread, because this topic is too big to answer in one post. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, I think that the violence in video games isn't a brand new topic to hear about, because you will find the same exact thing happening throughout our world and it has been this way for centuries past, and centuries to come. What bothers me the most about the banning of video games over violent content is how the politicians are able to fix a problem like pixels colored red on the television screen in front of your child, but they're unable to fix the many real life deaths that occur everyday in areas like Africa, Vietnam, the United States, you know, the places we're living in as humans. That's what bothers me, is how they're focusing on fixing something as little as a video game when they were supposedly running for presidency to rid our countries of poverty, violence, and get it back into a state of peace, and fairness.
The sexual content in video games rarely ever happens as far as the Hot Coffee code, but if you were talking about the various "revealing" clothes that designers love to put their female characters in, then I would worry about that even less. Our elders [as teenagers] were doing the same exact thing that we were doing at this age, scoping out our hormones and killing our curiosities. People admit in interviews all the time, as they were young they would try to steal their parents' playboys just to look at them. Compare that to watching someone with something as far as a bikini on the screen, and you've got nothing to worry about. Besides, there have never been any games sold in stores on public racks that had anything go farther than a whole shirt off on either gender, so what's the problem there? They couldn't get rid of Maxim magazine along the way?
Now, language...we all know that everyone has cursed at least once in their life, and it didn't even have to be a curse word either, it could've been just something mean plain and simple. A word is a word, and something as far as a word being used (because we've all heard them so much in our lifetime to know what they mean, thus building up a good tolerance towards them) and so just saying something isn't going to hurt anyone. Besides, there are plenty of other ways to offend someone, by let's say, using racial slurs, public embarrassment, mental abuse, so no, I highly doubt that a curse word would affect our youth, seeing as how we hear it on a daily basis in our lives.
Basically, what if politics banned war instead of video games? What if they banned domestic violence before video games? How about banning poverty, identity theft, or anything else, thus putting it all to a complete halt before banning a little video game? I'm just saying, there are worse things that could happen...
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:07 am
you read my mind......that's exactly what my point was. another thing: it should be up to the PARENTS, not the government, about the games we play. also, what the government is forgetting is that the average gamers are males from ages 17-35. they think that 11 year olds are going into GameStop just to buy GTA: San Andreas. and when you think about it, the ESRB was made for children. it was made to keep games out of the hands of children. but they're also forgetting that children can also just turn on their TV's, and see a shitload of violence. it's wierd how the government SHOULD be focusing on their little anti-terror campaign, but focuses on something that is only made a problem because of an over-stretched news story. and even worse is that people are sueing the game developers. last year, the same week Bully came out, the infamous Jack Thompson sued Rockstar Games, but the Supreme Court would not take his case because really, he was just sueing Rockster for making a game. keep in mind that the only case Thompson has ever won was pulling Ice T's Cop Killer off the shelves.....
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:45 am
I'll start by saying that it should be the parent's decision but there has to be a way for parents to know whether a game meets a standard of theirs or not. Parents can't decide if a game is appropriate for their child if they don't know about the game.
I don't think excessive sex, violence, language, etc.. does anything to improve a game. I don't think it's needed anyway. The sex in GTA? Is it really necessary? That's like when they make some horror films with extremely excessive gore with little to nothing deeper than that as far as the story or actual Horror (fright, fear, terror, etc) goes. Does that really improve anything or is it just over the top and redundant? Only when it is extremely excessive and/or takes away from other elements of the genre it is over the top and redundant.
I think in plenty of games excessive sex, violence, language, etc.. is redundant. Not all of them but some do.
@Zombicide: The average number of gamers is actually lower than that. Most if not all kids play video games and own consoles.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:33 pm
@History Wak: really? according to the ESA, that was the number.....
you have a really huge point there. GTA had some really unecessary sex scenes that added nothing to the game other than....well, nothing. and judging if a game is violent or not by its cover is kind of tough sometimes, because for a game like Half-Life 2, which is an excellent game, but loaded with violence, if you see the cover, you will have not even the most remote idea what the game is about. but for other games like Doom, you know that with a title like that, the game is going to be LOADED with killing things. however, does that mean that as soon as your kid plays that, he's going to pick up his daddy's shotgun, and kill everything and everyone he sees? I didn't think so.....
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:37 pm
HistoryWak I'll start by saying that it should be the parent's decision but there has to be a way for parents to know whether a game meets a standard of theirs or not. Parents can't decide if a game is appropriate for their child if they don't know about the game. I don't think excessive sex, violence, language, etc.. does anything to improve a game. I don't think it's needed anyway. The sex in GTA? Is it really necessary? That's like when they make some horror films with extremely excessive gore with little to nothing deeper than that as far as the story or actual Horror (fright, fear, terror, etc) goes. Does that really improve anything or is it just over the top and redundant? Only when it is extremely excessive and/or takes away from other elements of the genre it is over the top and redundant. I think in plenty of games excessive sex, violence, language, etc.. is redundant. Not all of them but some do. @Zombicide: The average number of gamers is actually lower than that. Most if not all kids play video games and own consoles. There is no real sex in any GTA game. The closest thing was that sex mini-game which was a downloadable mod. God of War did have a sex mini-game, but the camera panned to another part of the room so it was ok I guess. Now Manhunt2 did not have sex in the game, so why was it threatened to be a AO rated game? Was it the blood and violence? No because these are tons of games without an AO rating with blood and violence. Was it the dark story? No because again, there are many games who have dark stories like Kain and Lynch. Was there sex? NO. So I don't see why the original version of the game cannot just be a M rated game.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:33 pm
Zombicide @History Wak: really? according to the ESA, that was the number..... you have a really huge point there. GTA had some really unnecessary sex scenes that added nothing to the game other than....well, nothing. and judging if a game is violent or not by its cover is kind of tough sometimes, because for a game like Half-Life 2, which is an excellent game, but loaded with violence, if you see the cover, you will have not even the most remote idea what the game is about. but for other games like Doom, you know that with a title like that, the game is going to be LOADED with killing things. however, does that mean that as soon as your kid plays that, he's going to pick up his daddy's shotgun, and kill everything and everyone he sees? I didn't think so.....Neither do I....in a sense. Each child is different. If a child is going through depression and/or having issues in school and at home they may begin to get ideas. Of course those situations are extremely rare. (not the depression/school issues) It all comes down to whether parents believe a game is appropriate for their child. If parents decide that it is best for their child not to play those sort of games then they know best. There could be a number of reasons why they don't want their child to play those games other than the obvious [traumatic event in the past that they don't want their child reliving, their child may be prone to having nightmares, their child may act out things they see, their child may be on the overly aggressive side, the child might have anger issues, their religion (though many of us may get angry at religion but there may be people who are very devoted who are against exploiting violence and such things. It's nothing against them.)] People who don't want their child playing those types of games can just not buy them. It's their right to not buy them if they don't want to.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:19 pm
Sometimes, I wonder why the ESRB was even created in the first place, cause obviously, it's currently waste of tax payers money if parents are still bitching and complaining about the violent game they bough Little Jimmy for his stupid ******** tenth birthday.
ESRB was created because parents bitched about having not having a ratings system to keep kids from playing violent games back in the 80s/90s, games like Mortal Kombat, which kids pumped endless amounts of quarters in from guess who...
Well then, now that a rating system is in place, all we need to do is broadcast it to the parents of America, thought the ESRB. Then the parents can take responsibility, or punish Little Jaime for playing violent video games, cause we now have a rating system that tells gamers what's violent and what's not.
Ten Years later, I see Little Jimmy asking his mom if he can buy Gears of War, God Of War, Saints Row, and And Grand Theft Auto: Vice City(Greatest Hits Edition), and him mom saying, "Well of course honey!"
See the Problem?
Here, lemmie esplain it. Either: 1)The ESRB is not doing a good enough job of labeling games E,T,M,AO, or whatever the ******** comes next, which they are, the label takes up a nice sized chunk of box art, thank you very much.
2)The gov. isn't taking a big enough role in making it harder to for Jimmy to get his hands on Bloodfest: The Inferno. Either tell Wal-Mart to quit being such selfish jackasses and ID the ******** people, or make it even more illegal to sell M+ games to kids.
Or
3)Parents. Yeah, I said it, Parents. ********, you get so ******** angry when you see some little alien blood or here the word, "Damn" in you child's video game, yet you never take any responsibility when blaming somebody, especially if YOU bough the damn game in the first place. Don't blame the Developers, they aren't selling the game to minors, that why there is a sticker on the front of the box that tells you who the games for and why the game's for the certain age group, and also why Wal-Mart (should) ID you for legal purchase of the game. And don't bring up that, "My child brought it himself," bullshit. ******** monitor what your child does with his ******** money. You don't let him/her go to the corner and buy crack, and then blame the crack dealer do you? No, you ******** kick the child's a** and take away all his/her LIFE, but when it comes to violent video games, oh no, it's the person who made it, it's all THEIR fault.
stare
Ok, Longest Rant ever for me......
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:00 pm
LOL Are you ******** serious? This is a gaming guild. You know what we're going to say.
Now, I feel I have a bit more inside view when it comes to the sex side of video games. Believe it or not, sex happens all the time. Right now as you read this, someone you know is probably having a thought that would be considered "impure" by our society. There should be nothing wrong with sex in our entertainment. It's completely natural, and the way our society views sex is causing a lot of avoidable harm. There we go. I'm completely serious here.
So far, all these past posts are huge quoted for aphorisms.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:05 pm
tangocat777 LOL Are you ******** serious? This is a gaming guild. You know what we're going to say. Now, I feel I have a bit more inside view when it comes to the sex side of video games. Believe it or not, sex happens all the time. Right now as you read this, someone you know is probably having a thought that would be considered "impure" by our society. There should be nothing wrong with sex in our entertainment. It's completely natural, and the way our society views sex is causing a lot of avoidable harm. There we go. I'm completely serious here. So far, all these past posts are huge quoted for aphorisms. I don't doubt that one bit. wink
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:33 pm
HistoryWak tangocat777 LOL Are you ******** serious? This is a gaming guild. You know what we're going to say. Now, I feel I have a bit more inside view when it comes to the sex side of video games. Believe it or not, sex happens all the time. Right now as you read this, someone you know is probably having a thought that would be considered "impure" by our society. There should be nothing wrong with sex in our entertainment. It's completely natural, and the way our society views sex is causing a lot of avoidable harm. There we go. I'm completely serious here. So far, all these past posts are huge quoted for aphorisms. I don't doubt that one bit. wink Listen to the master.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:34 pm
tangocat777 HistoryWak tangocat777 LOL Are you ******** serious? This is a gaming guild. You know what we're going to say. Now, I feel I have a bit more inside view when it comes to the sex side of video games. Believe it or not, sex happens all the time. Right now as you read this, someone you know is probably having a thought that would be considered "impure" by our society. There should be nothing wrong with sex in our entertainment. It's completely natural, and the way our society views sex is causing a lot of avoidable harm. There we go. I'm completely serious here. So far, all these past posts are huge quoted for aphorisms. I don't doubt that one bit. wink Listen to the master.
All I saw was "inside view" and "sex side".
ROFL
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:52 pm
so true....people always blame the developers! well, who's fault is it that 9 kids and 3 teachers (I think it was more) died in the Columbine Massacre? well, let's all blame John Carmack! why did some ******** idiot decide to kill 3 cops in Miami? well, let's all blame Rockstar games! about that thing where the teenager killed 3 cops in Miami a couple of years back because he was re-enacting a scene from GTA: Vice City, all I have to say was OH MY ******** GOD! IT WAS HIS PARENT'S FAULT! THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS FAILING IN SCHOOL AND HE LOST HIS JOB BECAUSE HE WAS PLAYING GRAND THEFT AUTO FOR OVER 100 HOURS PER MONTH! SO WHO DO THEY BLAME? THEY BLAMED WAL-MART AND ROCKSTAR GAMES! AND LEAVE IT TO ******** JACK THOMPSON TO MAKE THE WHOLE THING PUBLIC, AND EXAGGERATE THE WHOLE STORY! HE EVEN SAID "VIDEO GAMES KILL PEOPLE"! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, NOT VIDEO GAMES. damn, that was my loudest post ever.....bottom line: paranoid parents, the ESRB, and the government need to GET SOME ******** BACKBONE! grow the hell on up. the ESRB was only made to keep these games out of the hands of children. and Hilary Clinton's anti-gaming campaign (well, more like her entire presidential campaign in general) is only still alive because these paranoid mothers accept her because she's a woman. is that really who you want for a president? but unfortuantly, she has a high chance of winning, so my advice to you guys: take all of your favorite games, and play them a lot until November of 2008 comes. that is Judgement Day for gaming. (that also broke the record for my longest post ever....)
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:56 pm
Daxelman tangocat777 HistoryWak tangocat777 LOL Are you ******** serious? This is a gaming guild. You know what we're going to say. Now, I feel I have a bit more inside view when it comes to the sex side of video games. Believe it or not, sex happens all the time. Right now as you read this, someone you know is probably having a thought that would be considered "impure" by our society. There should be nothing wrong with sex in our entertainment. It's completely natural, and the way our society views sex is causing a lot of avoidable harm. There we go. I'm completely serious here. So far, all these past posts are huge quoted for aphorisms. I don't doubt that one bit. wink Listen to the master.
All I saw was "inside view" and "sex side".
ROFL
Yes, I thought of oral after I read what I wrote.
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Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:59 pm
Zombicide so true....people always blame the developers! well, who's fault is it that 9 kids and 3 teachers (I think it was more) died in the Columbine Massacre? well, let's all blame John Carmack! why did some ******** idiot decide to kill 3 cops in Miami? well, let's all blame Rockstar games! about that thing where the teenager killed 3 cops in Miami a couple of years back because he was re-enacting a scene from GTA: Vice City, all I have to say was OH MY ******** GOD! IT WAS HIS PARENT'S FAULT! THEY KNEW THAT HE WAS FAILING IN SCHOOL AND HE LOST HIS JOB BECAUSE HE WAS PLAYING GRAND THEFT AUTO FOR OVER 100 HOURS PER MONTH! SO WHO DO THEY BLAME? THEY BLAMED WAL-MART AND ROCKSTAR GAMES! AND LEAVE IT TO ******** JACK THOMPSON TO MAKE THE WHOLE THING PUBLIC, AND EXAGGERATE THE WHOLE STORY! HE EVEN SAID "VIDEO GAMES KILL PEOPLE"! PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE, NOT VIDEO GAMES. damn, that was my loudest post ever.....bottom line: paranoid parents, the ESRB, and the government need to GET SOME ******** BACKBONE! grow the hell on up. the ESRB was only made to keep these games out of the hands of children. and Hilary Clinton's anti-gaming campaign (well, more like her entire presidential campaign in general) is only still alive because these paranoid mothers accept her because she's a woman. is that really who you want for a president? but unfortuantly, she has a high chance of winning, so my advice to you guys: take all of your favorite games, and play them a lot until November of 2008 comes. that is Judgement Day for gaming. (that also broke the record for my longest post ever....) So, if Hillary becomes president, what's y'all's plans? I'm thinking either France, where the culture is very appealing to me, or Germany, where I can legally drink alchohol in public. Yes, she's that bad imo.
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