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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:40 pm
I just kind of wanted to open a discussion about nudity in art. (In art, not pornography. )
You're free to go into as much detail or as little as you want on the subject, and how you feel about it. But I'm going to add some questions to help move things along. : )
Do you think nudity in art is okay? Or do you find it inappropriate? What level of nudity is appropriate? Do you like/appreciate nudity in art? Look at it? Do you feel ashamed, if you do?(I don't really mean for this so sound the way it does, but I'm just curious about how people feel about it.) Do you draw nude figures yourself? Do other people know about it/are you embarrassed of this? (Embarrassed is a much better word than ashamed. Ashamed would imply that its really bad and what not, which really isn't the case. At least in my opinion.)
Generally, when you see nudity in art, what kind of feelings do you have about it? (Example, most often I see nudity as a sign of vunerability. Being exposed and what not. That, or freedom. P: )
How do you feel about censoring artistic nudity? Should it be shown more often, more appreciated, even to younger crowds? (And when I say younger, I'm mainly implying teenagers, in comparison to 18+) How do you feel about DeviantArts stricter approach to this, in not allowing anyone under 18 to even have the option of viewing mature art?
Can we look at other cultures in comparison to ours, where often European countries are more open to naked bodies, and are less embarassed with it?
Yeah, this was a really long post, but hopefully it starts up some discussion!
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:56 pm
Do you think nudity in art is okay? Or do you find it inappropriate? I think it's okay. And I don't find it inappropriate since it IS a form of art.
What level of nudity is appropriate? I'm not sure. As long as it's not implying anything sexual in my opinion, then it's fine...
Do you like/appreciate nudity in art? Look at it? I don't really like nudity since, well, I'm immature.
Do you feel ashamed, if you do? Not really.
Do you draw nude figures yourself? Do other people know about it/are you embarrassed of this? I can't draw bodies...And if I could, I probably wouldn't draw nude bodies. I'd just draw a clothes-less person (if you know what I mean, no details.)
Generally, when you see nudity in art, what kind of feelings do you have about it? I see expression mostly. Expression through the body and not just the face. (Of course you could do this with non-nude bodies, but I think nudity defines it more.)
How do you feel about censoring artistic nudity? Should it be shown more often, more appreciated, even to younger crowds? I'm neutral in censorship, but I do want censorship to some degree. I heard from someone (I think my sister), that if you expose a nude body to younger viewers, the less immature they'd be about it. I don't know if that's true, but, I think if a person feels mature enough to view nudity in art, then so be it.
How do you feel about DeviantArts stricter approach to this, in not allowing anyone under 18 to even have the option of viewing mature art? I don't really like that people under 18 don't have an option since a lot of the "Mature Content"ed art isn't really that bad, and I'd like to view them.
Can we look at other cultures in comparison to ours, where often European countries are more open to naked bodies, and are less embarassed with it? All in culture I guess. I'm not sure how to answer this question ._.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:18 pm
Do you think nudity in art is okay? Or do you find it inappropriate? It's all good, as long as it's artistic and woman isn't spreading.
What level of nudity is appropriate? a woman full out spreading her legs. that's gross.
Do you like/appreciate nudity in art? Look at it? I don't sway either way. If I see it, I don't think "omg it's nudity!" It affects me the same way if I see non-nude photos.
Do you feel ashamed, if you do? Nope.
Do you draw nude figures yourself? Sometimes.
Do other people know about it/are you embarrassed of this? Yes. My boyfriend has a picture on his wall. No, not embarrassed.
Generally, when you see nudity in art, what kind of feelings do you have about it? Freedom, comfort, self esteem, beauty.
How do you feel about censoring artistic nudity? Should it be shown more often, more appreciated, even to younger crowds? It should be appreciated and shown to younger crowds, because it's a natural thing. Society makes nudity a big deal, but the fact they are making it a big deal is what is making it a big deal, if that makes sense.
How do you feel about DeviantArts stricter approach to this, in not allowing anyone under 18 to even have the option of viewing mature art? I couldn't say. I don't know. They are just following the rules, right?
Can we look at other cultures in comparison to ours, where often European countries are more open to naked bodies, and are less embarassed with it? Ancient Egyptians weren't modest at all, and walked around in see-through garments. They were not evil, and didn't grow up traumatized. It's a way of life.
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:05 pm
Do you think nudity in art is okay? Or do you find it inappropriate? Of course its appropriate. Art is all about expressing yourself.
What level of nudity is appropriate? Any level at all. Art shouldn't have borders.
Do you like/appreciate nudity in art? Look at it? Yeah. The human body is quite artful. I personal enjoy n***s that are more realistic, meaning not super models and such. More like the average person or a ugly person...that takes real skill.
Do you feel ashamed, if you do? I love guro...I could never be ashamed of art....unless its like scat art...which is just gross..............and Furry art which i despise.
Do you draw nude figures yourself? Do other people know about it/are you embarrassed of this? I've drawn nude figures from my head, through pictures and even live nude models. Any mature artist that its not perverse at all.
Generally, when you see nudity in art, what kind of feelings do you have about it? It depends on how its done. Could be a revealing of the true ugliness of the human race, or a display of vanity.
How do you feel about censoring artistic nudity? Should it be shown more often, more appreciated, even to younger crowds? Like i said...art should NEVER be censored, EVER.
Can we look at other cultures in comparison to ours, where often European countries are more open to naked bodies, and are less embarassed with it? Sure.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:42 am
Wow, interesting discussion topic. I may not answer all of the questons, but it'd be kind of a pain to copy, paste, and answer every single question formatically XP
To some level I appreciate it, because it can be astoundingly done. I remember looking at art in a shop down town one time, and it had all of these fairy and mermaid paintings. Most of the mermaids were topless, which made me a little embarassed 'cause I was showing the paintings I could never afford to my mother @_@; Anyway...I think it was fine, though, because it just...looked like how a free mermaid should. Think about it, what person - or mermaid - would really want to wear shells on their breasts? That type of stuff I don't mind, but I generally prefer censored, less detailed works unless the art is justified by realism and beauty. So, I guess I'm kind of 50/50 on it depending. I think if it's going to be full nudity, it should definitely not be pornographic, it should be done tastefully.(even if you're going to draw details)
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:35 pm
Wonderful biggrin I also realized that I failed to answer my own questions. (Though by the questions themselves, you can probably get a feel for my opinion on it.)
But I do think nudity in art is completely appropriate, but I agree that a woman "spreading" as ALC said, or male or female touching themselves, is going beyond the borders of art, and into something else. (Despite Dracs veiw that art should have no borders surprised ) I love anatomy(even though I'm medicore at it) and I love the human body, so nudity in art is something that I think every artist should be comfortable with(atleast sooner or later.) At what better way than to become better at drawing anatomy correctly than looking at a naked form? Theres no discractions from clothes, in the very least. Even still, this may be a more immature side of me, but I think p***s' are just... ugly. End of story P: Like I said when making the questions, most of the time, I feel like nudity is being exposed, vunerable. But depending on other things, like body language or facial expression, in could come off as something completely different, like freedom, or beauty.
To explain the DeviantArt thing more, they always had an option. In preferences you could always set whether you would have the option to view mature art. Or they would give you warnings before you were about to view it. But they've gotten rid of all that, and now its a strict 18+ rule, based upon the birthday you gave when you first signed up(You can't change that either.) But like TwilightRain said, a lot of the mature art on DA isn't actually that bad, most artists set it that way just to be safe. But I also thing artistic nudity should be less censored, and even implimented in school art education in high school. Maybe not so much in younger groups like 9th graders, because they're some of the most immature people... ever, but other than that, I think its completely apropriate. But it will never happen, because too many parents will b***h and complain.
The different culture thing can be compared to the drinking age between countries too. In the US, with the drinking age 21, you see many people when they finally turn 21(though, really high teens since so many do it anyway), just go out and binge drink just because they finally can. Now I know its not everyone, but theres quite a large group. But in other countries, like in Europe, its acceptable for teenagers(from like 14 on) to have some whine with dinner, or things like that. Since its so accepted in their country, theres not as much of a real thrill out of drinking mindlessly, and thus, it happens less often. Ya?
Uh, wall of text? I got too much to say.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:27 pm
Ok, I'm probably really weird... but here goes. For me there is no 'boundaries' that should be set for art. Nudity is natural, and there is nothing to be ashamed of with viewing the human body. I don't see how a picture of a woman 'spreading her legs' should be viewed as any different as a woman opening her mouth. *Thinks about TOS and where gaia's pg 13 lines are, not wanting to break them* Even such things that are mostly tabooed in our society are not 'wrong' or need to be censored. I'm not sure exactly where the line between pornographic material and art is, it's more of a blur of degrees. Something can be very artistic and still be pornographic, something can be pornographic without being artistic at all, and of course something can be very artistic without being pornographic. I do not understand the need to censor anyone. If someone is not comfortable with looking at something then they should not look at it, that shouldn't mean there should be a ban on it, or that it should be restricted. Not from the general population, not from children, not from anyone.
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:47 pm
You and Dracs have more similiar views. surprised
Yeah, the line between art and pornography is not one defined at all, it varies from person to person.
I wonder what kind of effect seeing naked bodies often from a young age would have on a person?
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:35 pm
Shinys Ok, I'm probably really weird... but here goes. For me there is no 'boundaries' that should be set for art. Nudity is natural, and there is nothing to be ashamed of with viewing the human body. I don't see how a picture of a woman 'spreading her legs' should be viewed as any different as a woman opening her mouth. *Thinks about TOS and where gaia's pg 13 lines are, not wanting to break them* Even such things that are mostly tabooed in our society are not 'wrong' or need to be censored. I'm not sure exactly where the line between pornographic material and art is, it's more of a blur of degrees. Something can be very artistic and still be pornographic, something can be pornographic without being artistic at all, and of course something can be very artistic without being pornographic. I do not understand the need to censor anyone. If someone is not comfortable with looking at something then they should not look at it, that shouldn't mean there should be a ban on it, or that it should be restricted. Not from the general population, not from children, not from anyone. True. If people were comfortable and became used to pornographic images or a woman "spreading" then it wouldn't be so... what's the word I am looking for.
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Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:11 pm
Its probably the same kind of censoring we're talking about that causes us to be unfomfortable or unaccepting of an image like that, yes? surprised
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Posted: Fri Nov 16, 2007 7:42 pm
I don't really have an opinion on nudity in art. Well, maybe I do. It usually depends on the piece that I'm looking at. Sometimes it looks like an excuse for porn but sometimes it really is art. Usually when I see artistic nudity, I think of freedom but also purity. It shows our bodies in our natural (pure) form.
Oh yeah, the thing on DeviantArt. A lot of people were upset about the new censorship. I don't like it much either... I mean, some artists label things that aren't actually mature, mature. I can't even see some of my favs anymore because I'm not 18 yet. So yes, I think the censorship should be lowered a bit. Most people have already seen naked bodies before they hit 18 anyway so it wouldn't be anything new. neutral But I'm not saying it should be dropped to 13 or anything! Young people are way too corrupted these days. (Lol, "young people" makes me sound old) I doubt 13 year olds would really appreciate it anyway. They might still look at it as porn.
I would never draw myself naked. Nudity still embarrasses me. And I rarely fav nude pics on DeviantArt.
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Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:07 pm
I had the same problem too, I was trying to look at some of my favorites and I can't even see them anymore neutral
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:34 pm
Lol, they revised the system on DA P: Its basically back to the way it was now, with a few more tweaks.
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Posted: Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:50 pm
I think artistic nudity is fine, as in n***s that are meant to be beautiful not to stimulate boys XD I think the human body is beautiful, there is nothing wrong with that, but it must be shown with good taste. I am currently taking life drawing so I get to stare at nude people for six hours every week. I do get annoyed by some censorship, though I think it should be different for boys and girls, boys are stimulated sexually much more visually then girls. domokun Mai has spoken...
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 3:49 pm
Do you think nudity in art is okay? Or do you find it inappropriate? What level of nudity is appropriate?
For me is cool, in any way, what matters is not if it is nudity, what matters is if is good art or not
Do you like/appreciate nudity in art? Look at it?
Yes i do, not all the time but yes.
Do you feel ashamed, if you do?
No, why? i mean after all is art, if i do it to get horny then i can be ashamed but i dont do it so is all fine 3nodding
Do you draw nude figures yourself? Do other people know about it/are you embarrassed of this?
Yes i do and no other people know about it because i know that they dont approve that and i dont wanna make a arguement
Generally, when you see nudity in art, what kind of feelings do you have about it? (Example, most often I see nudity as a sign of vunerability. Being exposed and what not. That, or freedom. P: )
I feel pretty cool to see it, afterall is only art, another story is the porn neutral and for me it dosent matter if someone wanna draw me nude or something like it.
How do you feel about censoring artistic nudity? Should it be shown more often, more appreciated, even to younger crowds? (And when I say younger, I'm mainly implying teenagers, in comparison to 18+)
I dont see the reason to censor art in any way, for that i mean, again, art, not porn.
How do you feel about DeviantArts stricter approach to this, in not allowing anyone under 18 to even have the option of viewing mature art?
Thats ok, but just because in internet is still hard to not get the wrong idea of what the children see.
Can we look at other cultures in comparison to ours, where often European countries are more open to naked bodies, and are less embarassed with it?
Mmm it really dosent matter what culture we look, just what kind of people see our art, because in any culture exist stupid people.
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