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 Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:52 am
This is one of the WORST things I've ever heard about. Not related to abortion, but still extremely sad. [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7074007.stm]Source[/url] A UK court has ordered evangelical preacher Gilbert Deya back to Kenya to face five counts of child stealing. The self-proclaimed bishop of a congregation with 36,000 UK members claimed he could give infertile couples 'miracle babies' The children's true parentage remains unknown. It is also unclear how Mr Deya and his wife convinced churchgoers that they were pregnant when they were not and how they believed that they had given birth in backstreet Kenyan clinics. "The 'miracle babies' which are happening now in our ministry is beyond a human imagination but it's not something that I can say - I can explain because they are of God and things of God cannot be explained by human beings," he told BBC Radio 4's Face the Facts programme in 2004. British and Kenyan officials say vulnerable church members were convinced that Mr Deya had the power of prayer to make them pregnant although they showed no outward signs. They say he used trickery to convince women they had delivered babies. "Please send your donation and expect your miracle. Ten pounds, a hundred pounds, a thousand pounds - make cheques payable to Gilbert Deya Ministry". Desperate women, some past the menopause and others who were infertile, were convinced that being prayed for by Mr Deya and travelling to Kenya would result in a child. Once there, they were convinced by Mrs Deya and others that they were in labour and taken to illegal clinics where they underwent what they believed to be childbirth. In a related case heard in a London family court, a baby was removed from a couple who belonged to Deya Ministries after their local GP alerted authorities when the woman tried to register him. The woman had not been pregnant and returned from a brief stay in Kenya with the child. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona, executive director of The Cradle, a Kenyan children's rights charity, said no-one is sure where the 'miracle babies' came from. None of the children taken from the Deya house have been identified. She believes the women who became convinced they had given birth were simply devout, not wilfully naive. *barfs* Selected quotes only, but that's the gist of it. Crazy crazy Christians, huh?
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:26 am
"OH EM GEE! You painlessly pulled a baybee from mah youterus! -gasp-"
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:14 am
And these women Didnt see a problem here?! Im sorry, I dont care how relgious you are, or waht religion you are but i'm pretty sure that pregnancy and child birth is something that all women have in common all over the world. I would think that if something had been a major part of your biology for eons maybe some christian huckster wouldnt be able to trick you about it?
You're pregnant or you're not... I think the women would know the difference. you're in labor, or your not. you've given birth or you havent. I would think this would be obvious!!
::also barfs:: this makes me sick
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Posted: Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:34 pm
Quote: She believes the women who became convinced they had given birth were simply devout, not wilfully naive.
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:34 am
RedRoseSpiral Quote: She believes the women who became convinced they had given birth were simply devout, not wilfully naive. I feel the same way, especially since they COULD HAVE ADOPTED A FRIGGIN BABY at any time in their own country! Jesus christ! What the hell is so miraculous about pulling a nine pound screaming ball of flesh from your hoo-haa? NOTHING! It's painful, bloody and dangerous. I just want to slap these women! Get over your issues and go get a baby that NEEDS you!
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:12 am
THEY'RE ALL RE-TURD-ED.
I mean honestly, devout or not how stupid (or hysterical or damaged.. whichever you prefer) to believe this tripe? I'll be hoest I'm looking into Judaism. I feel a very strong pull towards it right now and I'm exploring it with an open and crtitical mind that is being met with great knowledge and much more by the rabbi I'm talking to. (Wonderful man!) But it's stuff like this that gives organized religion of any kind a bad name.. burning_eyes
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Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:23 am
crystal_pepzi RedRoseSpiral Quote: She believes the women who became convinced they had given birth were simply devout, not wilfully naive. I feel the same way, especially since they COULD HAVE ADOPTED A FRIGGIN BABY at any time in their own country! Jesus christ! What the hell is so miraculous about pulling a nine pound screaming ball of flesh from your hoo-haa? NOTHING! It's painful, bloody and dangerous. I just want to slap these women! Get over your issues and go get a baby that NEEDS you! My sentiments exactly. I sure ******** hope they find out where these poor poor LIVING FEELING BORN children came from and can return them to their real parents and if not find them a DECENT LOVING HOME away from the sick ******** that caused their seperation in the first place. OMG imagine what they would be told when they are old enough to understand what was done to them? "Son, we have to tell you that we tore you away from your birth parents and in a sadistic ritual of rebirth you were born again to us, your sick ***** wannabe-parents." (I am sure someone else could phrase that better but im really upset right now.)
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Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:00 am
What the hell?
This has got to be one of the most bizarre things of which I have ever heard! My brow is still furrowed!
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Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 6:26 pm
I'm glad these people never reproduced. It would be as close to pissing in the gene pool as humanly possible.
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:19 pm
Little_Dust_Bunny I'm glad these people never reproduced. It would be as close to pissing in the gene pool as humanly possible. Indeed! lol [I just pictured that happening.] Overall, that's pretty disgusting. I wonder if they drugged those women.
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Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:49 pm
ab-bup-bp-bp-bup-bup-buppa-bi....
*picks up jaw*
WTF?!
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:37 pm
[insert look of mingled shock, disgust, and aljf;lsajgla;sd here/]
So devout that you believe in a pregnancy of which there are no outward signs, pain, and a miracle child appearing out of nowhere.
Suddenly very glad these people are childless...
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Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:06 pm
crystal_pepzi What the hell is so miraculous about pulling a nine pound screaming ball of flesh from your hoo-haa?! I asked myself the same question the other day. They call childbirth "the miracle of life." It's not a miracle, we all know how it works.
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Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:32 pm
Freedom Fire crystal_pepzi What the hell is so miraculous about pulling a nine pound screaming ball of flesh from your hoo-haa?! I asked myself the same question the other day. They call childbirth "the miracle of life." It's not a miracle, we all know how it works. I don't think we all know how it works, considering GROWN WOMEN convinced themselves they were pregnant despite having NO SIGNS. You'd think a family member would've gone "But... where?" or something. Also, if I read the article right, they did indeed drug the women for the 'birth'.
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 7:42 am
I'd be willing to say that even though we know how birth and the pre-life process works it dosent make it any less miraculous, to be creating a whole new life, that's pretty damn special I think. However, that being said, we do know how birth and the prelife process works. We know that there are very real undeniable signs that a woman is pregnant. No matter how devout you are, you know these things!!
I imagine the conversation would go something like this:
Woman who expects miracle baby: "I'm pregnant"
Reasonable person: "Why are you buying tampons?"
Woman who is so devout she forgot about biology: "I'm on my period"
Reasonable person: "Then you're not pregnant"
Woman who condones child abduction: "Yes I am! The pastor told me so"
Reasonable person: "How is that possible? Being on your period means that you're not pregnat. You're not having a baby"
Woman who is so blinded by her desire to have a child that it has made her stupid: "YES I AM! I PAID THE MONEY I'M PREGNANT!"
(I imagine that the conversation degrading into fisticuffs shortly there after)
I think it's really sad that some one who espouses to be a christian would take advantage of desperate people this way. One more question:
How do they mimic the "birth" process. I imagine that the woman should be in Some pain... you dont pop a baby out painlessly, no matter how devout a woman is she'd know that you'd at least feel something being pulled out of you. Not to be crude but how did they reproduce that sensation?
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