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julliel

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:58 pm


Edit*: I bold all the important parts of their argument just in case you guys are too lazy to read the entire thing.

This thread is necessary because all the other threads featuring Jacob Black set him up on a pedestal for the Edward vs. Jacob debate.

I, a Jacob Black fanatic, am also not liking the fact that this guild has become a central hub for all the Edward fans. Last time I checked, this wasn't the Edward Cullen guild.

Also, we Jacob lovers need to have one place, once and for all, where we can duke it out with debate but also a safehaven to let us fan over who we like.


But, wait. Let me start with a few quotes from some Jacob/Bella LJ communities. Otherwise we would all be arguing over the same thing over and over again because some people don't take the time to read over previous pages to see what points have already been stated. Let me lay some key things out on the table.



From Sort of Beautiful

Mila
Because, I think, love is not only about the person of your desire (life is not as easy as that! We all wish), it's about the circumstances as well, meaning: the kind of life you would lead with this person, and giving up your entire family and friends? Hell no! I know that Edward is the dreamy-thing and I would totally choose him if he was a normal boy against Jacob, but the things that Bella has to give up are too high.

Maybe it's a cultural thing: how much family means to the people, and the friends as well. I'm not saying that E/B shippers are against family values, but... hmmm, how could I explain myself? I would choose Jacob because of the whole package he offers being Bella's partner, not because he's better than Edward or something like that (as if they were THINGS to compare, that's silly, everybody is different), but because... yeah, being a vampire, in a way, isolates you from the world and... getting trapped at age eighteen-nineteen?! HELL NO! I would die if I had to go to school over and over again. Growing up is the greatest thing ever. Not only mentally, but also physically.

This whole fight about Edward vs Jacob is getting incredibly stupid. Comparing Edward and Jacob is like putting oranges against apples. They are completely different things! But the beautiful thing about Jacob is that Bella's world would not be just about him.

Edward said already (and I found it very funny while reading it, but now I think it's a bit creepy) that life gets "easier" because all the people you love DIE and the problem is solved. OK, it sounded funny... but seriously, what would happen after all the people you care about is DEAD? Bella is not the kind of character who is eager to gain immortality because of all the cultural knowledgement she could win (that way, she would have all my respect, but oh no... she doesn't think about those things), but just because of Edward. What kind of life would she lead, just living with the Cullens and not being able to "change" life-stages? Going to a university is really a GREAT thing and she wouldn't know that. She would not even want to send a bloody application! Having kids would be great too, and getting older, wiser... blaaaaargh, she's so wrong, but OK, it's romance in books, and they do not reflect what life really is.

In the perfect world, Edward would not be a vampire and they could actually live happily ever after.

In the perfect world, Edward and Bella would have met many years later, when she was smarter, wiser, more mature, and she would ALSO want to archieve inmortality because of all the places she could visit, all the music, books, and things she could absorb and learn ---I mean, having so much time in her hands.

In the perfect world, Edward would be over seventeen (you know what I mean). He would be in the sweet age of 20-30-something (at least, to be able to work properly!), and Bella wouldn't have to fight with the fact that she would look funny having a younger partner.

In the perfect world, the Twilight fandom would not be just seeing Edward and Jacob alone, but also the circumstances they have attached to them.

In the perfect world, the crazy Edward fangirls would not see me as the weirdest thing for thinking beyond.




A reply pertaining to the previous quote:

flowrs4ophelia
I think just about all Jacob/Bella fans liked Edward/Bella at some point, because otherwise they would never have bothered to read on to the second book. I really don't dislike Edward at all and just definitely prefer Jacob personally because he's more my "type," but that kind of preference is completely insignificant in regards to arguing for the ship because obviously Bella is attracted to both of them. Much more importantly, I ship J/B because I just think it's the more responsible, more moral, healthier choice for her to make.

I've been writing a lot of post-Eclipse fics about Bella being a vampire, and the more I play with the idea to try to come to terms with how Steph Meyer could possibly mean to make it work and seem at all like a good idea, the more I actually realize just how ******** up and wrong it is. It's just not a cost that is worth being with the person you love, especially when you really don't have to do it; Bella is insecure and afraid of aging and that's why she's in such an insane hurry to get it done with, but she doesn't even have to do it at all to stay with Edward. I think even after everything she realized throughout Eclipse, she still doesn't have a complete comprehension of what she's giving up. The idea that love is all she needs in her life is absolutely prehistoric and not exactly feminist. In fairy tales it might work that way, but not in real life.

I think the person you love should complete your life, not BE your life. Love should be good for you. It should be sun and air, not just a passionate fire that consumes and destroys everything else in your life. Isn't it kind of curious that the quote from Romeo and Juliet at the beginning of New Moon is a very pessimistic one that's not describing true love at all, but the kind of intense passion that dies as fast it starts? Just look at the way SparkNotes has it translated into modern English and it makes it even more WTF-worthy:

"These sudden joys have sudden endings. They burn up in victory like fire and gunpowder. When they meet, as in a kiss, they explode. Too much honey is delicious, but it makes you sick to your stomach. Therefore, love each other in moderation. That is the key to long-lasting love. Too fast is as bad as too slow.



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Miss Lupin
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:21 pm


*loves*

His image in my head is just too vivid
Even thinking about Jacob's smile makes me drool on cue

((Sorry I can't say something more smart about my love for my faveorite fictional character

He is as dazzling as Edward is to Bella.))

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:11 pm


Ahaha! Yes! Since I am of First Nation Decent of North America! I can relate to almost all of the things Jacob is in. For one I live with my grandparents and I have long hair and I live on a Reservation. And I love someone who was my friend...but unfortunately she abandoned me. So, I left... And I have a group of friends that are like the wolf pack. But that too I left at the same time.

Now...I am a fan of Jacob! He is the greatest! Lol. I find him to be kind of cocky but deep down I think he doesn't want Bella to like him...he loves her but he hasn't imprinted... so if he did when he was with her that would be a problem. So, yeah.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:05 pm


I'm neither a big jacobxbella/bellaxedward fan. I could go either way. (I think it would be awesome if bella was with jacob until he died. Then again, seeing as how they can live for a long time. . .that would be interesting. And he'd have to deal with the fact that she was a vampire.

They could get over it. wink

Of course, I'd rather have Jacob Black for myself.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:51 pm


SIT THE F DOWN
*loves*

His image in my head is just too vivid
Even thinking about Jacob's smile makes me drool on cue

((Sorry I can't say something more smart about my love for my faveorite fictional character

He is as dazzling as Edward is to Bella.))


biggrin He is just as attractive as Edward. It's all just a matter of perspective.
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:04 pm


Jacob_Black17
And I love someone who was my friend...but unfortunately she abandoned me.


That is so sad...

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:41 pm


Ah, the excitement of the endless J/B vs E/B battle.....Personally I don't have an opinion on this one. I'm kind of tossing and turning in the middle. But I guess if I had to choose a side it would be Jacob+Bella. You're right, it would be a much more healthy choice to make. Besides, I like Jacob. He may have a temper, but he's sweet and compassionate and human (for the most part).
PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:01 pm


So can I consider you as an ally or an innocent civilian? xp

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:00 pm


I don't really have anything interesting or intelligent to contribute to this thread, but I'm on Team Jacob. It really bugs me how people consider him this horrible person when in reality he's such a sweet, compassionate character.
PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:08 pm


Miss Lupin
I don't really have anything interesting or intelligent to contribute to this thread, but I'm on Team Jacob. It really bugs me how people consider him this horrible person when in reality he's such a sweet, compassionate character.


Ah, Miss Lupin! Your name seems familiar! Have I seen you around in the Harry/Hermione thread or is it a figment of my imagination?

You can contribute a lot to this thread. You can keep it alive, and don't worry. I'll keep it alive too. I'm not enjoying talking to myself. D:

It's good to have you on the team! Do you think I should make a whole list or a counter for all the supporters of Jacob? Because I know many a Jacob fan afraid to speak their mind because of all the opposition. It's not easy being the minorty.

He is the sweetest character isn't he? I also find him to be the most developed character. Sorry, I may be an anti-Twilight fanatic (it's quite possible, I assure you) but Jacob wins me hands down.

Even Edward and Bella aren't as developed characterization-wise. And I find that sad.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:43 pm


I don't believe I've ever posted on a Harry/Hermione thread. But I'll post on the Harry boards from time to time! ^^;

Yeah, I think you should compose a list of all of us Jacob lovers. We shouldn't have to hide our love--we should be proud of it! And I agree with you on him being the most developed character. That's one of the reasons why I love him so much.

Oh, and it helps that the boy I like reminds me of Jacob. redface
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:25 pm


Really? That's so cute! whee

I've no love interests at the moment, but if I do, I wish he were my best friend first before turning romantic. I just feel right both emotionally, physically, and romantically. I wouldn't feel insecure or jealous. Because I know him so well and vice-versa.

Oh, and I put up a list. biggrin

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:29 pm


I don't like jacob better because it's the responsible thing to do, or that he's better for Bella, I just simply can't imagine being comfortable around Edward. He seems very...well, not snobby, but introverted, I suppose. I think it's simply easier to be with Jacob. I know, because I have a friend like Jacob, and I'd rather be with someone I'm comfortable with. Oh, and plus I think Edward is acting just a little too immature for his age, and that Jacob is acting exactly his age.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:45 pm


Uh, no? Edward and Jacob have their immature moments. Big ones.

I'm not a Jacob hater, but I don't prefer Edward either. I'm a Carlisle and Jasper person, to be honest.

Edward is, what, 70 something in actual years? Something like that. Both can be selfish. Both can be harmful. Both can be a little of everything. They both have flaws. Yet everyone on what ever side are shooting both characters down. As I stated in another, what about Bella herself? Because... She's caused quite the commotion several times last I remembered. I feel like... people are beginning to forget the other characters within these arguments. =/

There's always at least one connection.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 10:10 pm


Thanks for adding. biggrin I was wondering if this thread was invisible to humans... ninja
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