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 Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:29 pm
Since there is some talk of this I thought it'd be better to just make a separate thread for it.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 5:40 pm
The Shield Maiden Gravechylde The Shield Maiden Viking metal is not a real genre, it's a lyrical theme. In comparison, NSBM... National Socialism is a lyrical theme, it's still black metal. There are 'viking metal' bands that are of various different metal genres: Amon Amarth, Nachtfalke, and Falkenbach. Amon Amarth: Melo-death (shitty at that). Nachtfalke: Black metal. Falkenbach: Folk/black metal. It's more than a lyrical theme, and Viking metal is older than Folk metal. Amon Amarth are not Viking metal at all, not even slightly. Enslaved for example they are black metal but since they add progressive elements and sing about vikings they end up often being put into the viking genre when they aren't. Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music. Although lately Viking Metal has been fading into nothing more than a sub-genre of Folk Metal. Pointless. Everything is a sub-genre, the last thing metal needs is more sub-genres. 9 out of 10 people that I've talked to also don't believe in viking metal, you're saying it's older because of Bathory perhaps? Bathory was black/thrash. -.- I'm so sick of this apparent "sub-genre" there's no such thing as viking metal. Black metal is black metal; folk metal is folk metal... and folk/black metal is well obviously folk/black metal. Lyrical themes are lyrical themes, think about NSBM as an example. This isn't very convincing. Yes I do mean Bathory. Yes he did start out as thrash then moved to Black, but his work from Hammerheart onward is different. And as time went by other bands started catching onto this style it then became solidified. Yes it was NAMED after lyrical themes, but that doesn't mean that that's all there is to the style, I already mentioned the other elements that separate Viking from Folk and Black. And as for NSBM that is not a genre because those artists still have much stronger Black metal base, but Viking metal is more than just the lyrical theme. There are plenty of bands that have viking lyrics, but they are not Viking metal. (Doomsword, Scald, Amon Amarth, Enslaved, The Sword, etc)
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 7:04 pm
Well I think alot of people take this WAY to far. Viking, for me at least, have a very differant feel to it than regular folk. I think it still needs some time to come into it's own. However some people take things to far and deeply- It doesnt exist! It's a fraud! rolleyes
Every genre started out somewhere. They didn't magically happen over night.
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Posted: Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:31 pm
My Hollow Well I think a lot of people take this WAY to far. Viking, for me at least, have a very different feel to it than regular folk. I think it still needs some time to come into it's own. However some people take things to far and deeply- It doesn't exist! It's a fraud! rolleyes Every genre started out somewhere. They didn't magically happen over night. Actually, as time goes by it seems to be less and less of it's own genre.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:24 pm
Gravechylde My Hollow Well I think a lot of people take this WAY to far. Viking, for me at least, have a very different feel to it than regular folk. I think it still needs some time to come into it's own. However some people take things to far and deeply- It doesn't exist! It's a fraud! rolleyes Every genre started out somewhere. They didn't magically happen over night. Actually, as time goes by it seems to be less and less of it's own genre. I'm leaving room for a comeback.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:53 pm
My Hollow Gravechylde My Hollow Well I think a lot of people take this WAY to far. Viking, for me at least, have a very different feel to it than regular folk. I think it still needs some time to come into it's own. However some people take things to far and deeply- It doesn't exist! It's a fraud! rolleyes Every genre started out somewhere. They didn't magically happen over night. Actually, as time goes by it seems to be less and less of it's own genre. I'm leaving room for a comeback. .............ok
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:55 pm
Gravechylde My Hollow Gravechylde My Hollow Well I think a lot of people take this WAY to far. Viking, for me at least, have a very different feel to it than regular folk. I think it still needs some time to come into it's own. However some people take things to far and deeply- It doesn't exist! It's a fraud! rolleyes Every genre started out somewhere. They didn't magically happen over night. Actually, as time goes by it seems to be less and less of it's own genre. I'm leaving room for a comeback. .............ok Oh ye of little faith.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:00 pm
Yet you still haven't explained in great detail a to what it is. Surprise, surprise.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:10 pm
It's right here, I posted it already. I just added the stuff in parenthesis, for accuracy. Gravechylde Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music (into the actual riffing).
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:17 pm
Gravechylde It's right here, I posted it already. I just added the stuff in parenthesis, for accuracy. Gravechylde Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music (into the actual riffing). So that would mean Enslaved is viking metal? o.O
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:23 pm
The Shield Maiden Gravechylde It's right here, I posted it already. I just added the stuff in parenthesis, for accuracy. Gravechylde Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music (into the actual riffing). So that would mean Enslaved is viking metal? o.O no, they still have a much stronger base in black metal than viking bands. And I don't recall hearing much folk in their sound.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:31 pm
Gravechylde The Shield Maiden Gravechylde It's right here, I posted it already. I just added the stuff in parenthesis, for accuracy. Gravechylde Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music (into the actual riffing). So that would mean Enslaved is viking metal? o.O no, they still have a much stronger base in black metal than viking bands. And I don't recall hearing much folk in their sound. You know I'm at the point where I'd really love to smash your head into a desk... If there is such thing as viking metal there's only one band that truly is which is Bathory.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:42 pm
The Shield Maiden Gravechylde The Shield Maiden Gravechylde It's right here, I posted it already. I just added the stuff in parenthesis, for accuracy. Gravechylde Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music (into the actual riffing). So that would mean Enslaved is viking metal? o.O no, they still have a much stronger base in black metal than viking bands. And I don't recall hearing much folk in their sound. You know I'm at the point where I'd really love to smash your head into a desk... If there is such thing as viking metal there's only one band that truly is which is Bathory. Even though you've done absolutely nothing to refute what I said? confused other than just keep saying it's just lyrics. Anyway here is a more in-depth description of Viking Metal. http://www.last.fm/user/owentheyo/journal/2007/01/31/331147/
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:45 pm
Gravechylde The Shield Maiden Gravechylde The Shield Maiden Gravechylde It's right here, I posted it already. I just added the stuff in parenthesis, for accuracy. Gravechylde Viking metal started out as a progression away from Black metal that had more of an epic feel, and progressive elements as well as mixing in Scandinavian folk music (into the actual riffing). So that would mean Enslaved is viking metal? o.O no, they still have a much stronger base in black metal than viking bands. And I don't recall hearing much folk in their sound. You know I'm at the point where I'd really love to smash your head into a desk... If there is such thing as viking metal there's only one band that truly is which is Bathory. Even though you've done absolutely nothing to refute what I said? confused other than just keep saying it's just lyrics. Anyway here is a more in-depth description of Viking Metal. http://www.last.fm/user/owentheyo/journal/2007/01/31/331147/ All 'viking metal' bands sound exactly like harsher forms of folk metal, thus to me they are just folk metal bands. Plus Falkenbach isn't viking metal, it's black/folk. Edit: funny how you dismissed Enslaved and how it's in his journal, I suggest you get some more steady facts and come back. Also Graveland? VIKING METAL? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl learn genres. Most of these things are either black/folk or just straight up black metal.
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Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:08 pm
The Shield Maiden All 'viking metal' bands sound exactly like harsher forms of folk metal, thus to me they are just folk metal bands. Tyr are harsher than Arkona? confused The Shield Maiden Edit: funny how you dismissed Enslaved and how it's in his journal, I suggest you get some more steady facts and come back. This statement proves that you didn't even read the article. article Contrary to popular belief, the band Enslaved (often noted for being an asset to the genre creation) did not actually incorporate the Viking Metal sound in any of their releases. This confusion may have began thanks to their more progressive take on Black Metal and the general lyrical basis centered around Norse and Viking mythology, as well as their separation from the Norwegian Black Metal scene of the time. The Shield Maiden Also Graveland? VIKING METAL? rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl learn genres. Most of these things are either black/folk or just straight up black metal. If you'll actually read the article you'll notice that it says it's Black/Viking not straightforward viking.
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