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 Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:31 am
Heh - I had to check and make sure we didn't already have a thread about this topic, but I didn't find one. I wanted to start a new topic that wasn't about abortion (*gasp*), because I like to hear what everyone has to say about other things.
So, do you believe that Same-Sex Couples should be able to legally marry one another? Why or why not?
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:33 am
I believe that adults should be free to marry consenting adults of any gender.
I also think that all reasons not to allow Gay Marriage are religious in nature, and have NO place in our secular government. Churches should be (and are) free to marry or decline to marry Same-Sex Couples, but not to set Federal or State policy on the matter.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:36 pm
I completely agree with you, Waters.
I have never heard a real reason to not allow same-sex marriage.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 12:59 pm
Hoenstly I don't care either way and tend not to get invold in it.
As long as they don't try to force their lifestyle on others then I have no problem.
I think more important/y people should learn to respect each other first and start treating gays has humans instead of committing hate crimes against them.
Until then it won't matter if they want to get married or not, things still won't improve until others learn to see that they are still people like everyone else. Once that happens, maybe allowing them to get married won't be such a big deal.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:56 pm
I did a sociological analysis on gay marriage. I can post it, but it's kiiind of long. XD McPhee did one too, we were partners! <33
The short of it all. There's no real legal reason that gay marriage should not be allowed. I am 100% for it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:55 pm
For it. No legal grounds for banning it, in my opinion. I really couldn't care less if Jim and Fred are in love and want to get married; love is love.
Having said that...no religion should be forced to perform a marriage for any sort of union they don't approve of. I've heard some people say the government should step in and make religions allow gay marriage, and that's wrong. It's a very select handful, but I still figured it doesn't hurt to add my two cents on the government forcing religions to go against their beliefs in a matter where no one would be physically hurt (like, if a religion said that you must kill ten babies on a sacrificial alter to enter, I can support the state stepping in and saying, "You'll go to jail for that." If it's a case like this, then I say those people can leave that religion if they don't like it).
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Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 6:39 pm
Hmmm... I'm all for gays and whatnot, be with whoever you want. But marriage seems to me to be a seperate thing. I think gays should be allowed to have all the benefits of marriage, but not called marriage. Then again, that is kinda stupid because effectively, it's the same thing... But something just doesn't feel right to me about gay marriage and straight marriage being the same... I know that there is no logical backing for this, and that gay marriage is fine really, but it's jsut this nagging little thing that I don't feel right about it... if that makes sense.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 8:54 am
divineseraph Hmmm... I'm all for gays and whatnot, be with whoever you want. But marriage seems to me to be a seperate thing. I think gays should be allowed to have all the benefits of marriage, but not called marriage. Then again, that is kinda stupid because effectively, it's the same thing... But something just doesn't feel right to me about gay marriage and straight marriage being the same... I know that there is no logical backing for this, and that gay marriage is fine really, but it's jsut this nagging little thing that I don't feel right about it... if that makes sense. I think a lot of people feel that way. Some of them for more religious reasons, as they think that (straight) marriage is a holy union before God, and they believe that homosexuality, or homosexual acts, is sinful. I, personally, don't care if it has to be called Gay Civil Unions to get passed, so long as all of the same rights and benefits are given.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 9:38 am
WatersMoon110 divineseraph Hmmm... I'm all for gays and whatnot, be with whoever you want. But marriage seems to me to be a seperate thing. I think gays should be allowed to have all the benefits of marriage, but not called marriage. Then again, that is kinda stupid because effectively, it's the same thing... But something just doesn't feel right to me about gay marriage and straight marriage being the same... I know that there is no logical backing for this, and that gay marriage is fine really, but it's jsut this nagging little thing that I don't feel right about it... if that makes sense. I think a lot of people feel that way. Some of them for more religious reasons, as they think that (straight) marriage is a holy union before God, and they believe that homosexuality, or homosexual acts, is sinful. I, personally, don't care if it has to be called Gay Civil Unions to get passed, so long as all of the same rights and benefits are given.
Marriage is secular in this day and age. It doesn't require a certain religious ceremony or ANY ceremony for that matter. To claim that gay marriage should be called something other than marriage is just once again telling them "you're not wanted in OUR society."
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:05 pm
Am I the only one that things that people should learn to stop treating gays differently before they even think of marriage?
People still commit hate crimes and in some countries they kill them. Unless things change then I don't see how letting them get married would help any.
I think getting married should be the least of their problems.
People still them as evil sinners or that their not human and that needs to stop. Some even have programs to make then become streight (but oviously that won't work if they were truly born that way).
I think big changes must be done first.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:13 pm
I agree with Beware. There is no legal grounds for saying they must be separate.
I'll admit, however, that as a Catholic, I see legal marriage as what you make of it. In some cases, it's a marriage in the endearing way a lot of people feel it is, but in a lot of cases, it's just two people living together, sharing their taxes, having children, and hating eachother. Call me cynical, but there is no sanctity of marriage to protect in legal marriages. If someone has religious views about it, they get married in their own church. A marriage within a religion has a set meaning within guidelines of the religion. A marriage in law is just a marriage...you can give it whatever meaning you want to, and it will have that meaning for you if you live up to it. No one is hurt by gay marriage, not in this world. People can argue they will burn in hell, but that's religious, and that has no place in law by our current standards. People can also argue that fanatics will start hurting people who aren't even involved, but that's people hurting others, not gay marriage hurting others.
Beware's right. There can be no separate but equal in this case, because it's not equal when it's separate. If no one is being hurt, no rights are being violated, there is no danger being posed, there is NO reason to bar homosexual marriages and have them be the same as heterosexual marriages, name and all. If you want to, call them ALL civil unions and have no mention of marriage at all in law, but it's not fair to call one a civil union and one a marriage.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:19 pm
sachiko_sohma Am I the only one that things that people should learn to stop treating gays differently before they even think of marriage? People still commit hate crimes and in some countries they kill them. Unless things change then I don't see how letting them get married would help any. I think getting married should be the least of their problems. People still them as evil sinners or that their not human and that needs to stop. Some even have programs to make then become streight (but oviously that won't work if they were truly born that way). I think big changes must be done first. The problem is, that won't change, and if we'd done the same thing with the civil rights movement, we'd still have segregation. Females would still be inferior by law too, come to think of it. A lot of people just will not change, and denying people rights because parts of the population don't like them isn't going to help anything. It will just give the people opposing it something where they can say, "And see? The law's on my side here!" There's no harm in giving people rights in this case. It won't detract from any cause at all, it will only strengthen the public image that it's not evil to be homosexual.
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Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 12:23 pm
OMAIGAWD, homos should not have all these special rights that straight people don't get, like marriage, voting, a fair trial and wearing madras after Labor Day. scream
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 3:45 pm
Gay Honeymoons have gotta suck.
"Well I figured since we just got married-"
"No."
rofl
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Posted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 10:38 pm
Oh, here we go.
As the resident gay male pro-lifer, I have a couple things to add.
First, civil unions don't work for me. If I don't have the same rights and privelages that any straight person has when I'm in another country, if I don't have the right to say if I want the person I love most to be cut off from oxygen on his deathbed, and If I don't have the same rights that any woman would have to her man, then it doesn't work for me.
Secondly, marriages have somewhat become secularized. Legal marriage, at least. Because, I believe, in law that there is a seperation between legal marriage and religious marriage. And I hate hearing that gays would be blaspheming marriage, because divorce, adultery, and the like blaspheme marriage just as much as two men or two women marrying ever could.
And finally, why on earth CAN'T gay people marry? I mean, not letting gay people marry is like saying that my relationship isn't valid, or at least not as valid as a heterosexual one, because I happen to like smooth pecs and a flat stomach and stubble, rather than breasts and T & A?
Besides. Two guys in tuxes getting married is just so damn cute. I am taking thousands of photos at my wedding.
Thank God I live in Canada.<333
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