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alliisara

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:52 am


Okay, we have a judging thread!

Below are listed all the entries. I'm... not really sure what judging scheme we should use. Seraphly suggested everyone give their top three for each and why (and then discuss, I guess). If anyone else thinks we should use a different method, say so soon so we can decide.

Also, post your critiques in here, and I'll organize them and post them in the main thread once judging is finished.

Judges names won't be attached to critiques when they're posted, but they're attached here so I know who I still need critiques from.


Entries

Poetry

First: Issari
Second: M u s e
Third: Nailo_Lullaby

•WingedComanche - Broken Wings, Un-repaired Dreams
•ManateeMan - A word to questers*

Astaire - Manateeman could have conceivably gotten third if he didn't neglect to choose a specific item. That said, while his poem has a clear theme, it abuses commas (too many/not enough) and generally sounds trite and cliche. I guess it would work as one of those poems they put on motivational posters, but I can't see it working anywhere else. His rhythm is decent, though, and his rhyming fits the poem.

ambiguitylotus - This poem would have gotten the real 3rd place if only he focused on one specific item instead of the vague "donations". Furthermore, this poem abuses commas, splitting up sentences incorrectly, putting commas where they don't belong, etc.. And why is there a hyphen after "questing" in the last line of the poem? It should NOT be there, although it seems as if the contestant wanted to place it there to create a pause. But with the rhyming scheme, I don't think it'll work out. Finally, I have to cringe with the cliches used in the poem; the message/feeling I get from this poem echoes that of the famous Three Musketeers: "all for one and one for all".

Despite all of that, I like the fact that he captured the essence of "questers", which everyone can relate to here on Gaia. His rhyming scheme fits with the poem and flows fairly well.

•Issari - Caged spirit falcon* = 13

Astaire - I appreciate her poem for its interesting use of alliteration. It works well with the overall concept. Also, I think she captured the essence of her item better than any of the other contestants, though her punctuation and clarity do leave a little something to be desired.

ambiguitylotus - This poem has serious issues with comma rules and fragments; it reads like a long run-on sentence fragment as noted with one period at the end of the entire poem. Other issues include spelling errors (which could be easily solved by using a spell-checker) and the incorrect usage of homonyms ("its" vs. "it's").

However, she captured the essence of her item better than any of her fellow contestants. I appreciated the fact that she used a few poetic devices such as alliteration and experimentation with sounds (rhyming words). She also created a sense of dynamic/motion in the poem.

•Nailo_Lullaby - Elven Ears = 7
•M u s e - Dear Kitsune Mask* = 9

Astaire - The repetition may be a bit too much, and I'm not thrilled about her lack of punctuation and the fact that she misspelled "truly", but she has a decent rhyme scheme and I appreciate her clarity. Also, the poem does seem to have a decent grasp of what would be an "ode" format. The lack of imagery severely irks me, though.

ambiguitylotus - This poem is just slightly better than Nailo_Lullaby's because it didn't overuse repetition. However, it is lacking in punctuation. I did not like the way the commas were used in the poem; they made some parts of the poem read choppily. Other poetic devices included rhyme and the fact that it was written like an ode. So, I'll give a small credit to those things, even though there is little stimulation for me to engage in the poem itself. Also, "truely" is misspelled. And who in the world would be using "thee"s in speech nowadays? Wrong century!!

•kohana28 - A Quest

Prose

First: Symphonica
Second: The_Scaly_Bard
Third: The Love Mutt

•Imalane - It's not Naruto!*

knight_of_chivalry - The story written by Imalane was completely random and was impossible to become interested in. Worlds other than our own only work in short stories if they are well introduced and accounted for. Which this did not. It seemed comical and childish, and... just too... what's the word..... fake. You can't lose yourself in it, you aren't there next to the characters, even while reading it your still sitting on your computer eating a tub of ice cream for your dinner. Not fun.

Zeo - It goes without saying that "It's Not Naruto," while vaguely cute, did not employ a very good sense of subtlety and was much too talk-about-the-item oriented. Given that this was my biggest criteria for determining my choices, this one didn't even get consideration after seeing the other ones.

days - My biggest issue with this story was the use of capital letters and multiple punctuation. These two things seem to put me off when I read something, and I would advise you to avoid them at any cost. You should be able to get the emotion across without using multiple punctuation and capital letters, in your narration. Otherwise, I can understand your frustration with people calling the band by that name. It shows the way that particular anime has corrupted people's minds.

•The_Scaly_Bard - Superior Theft* = 6.5 + 7 + 8.6 = 22.1

knight_of_chivalry - I couldn't get into this story as well as the other ones. Sci Fi is kindof like Pacman - its easy to learn to do, but hard to master. Which is the case here. With any other genre, this story could've been a lot better - however, because there were things and terms coming out of nowhere (Immortal droid bodies, etc) that were not fully explained or accounted for, and their appearence was not built up - they just appeared out of nowhere. Also, the main character single handedly beat up a large amount of people without taking any damage for himself, making the eventual ending predictable. If it was more... things were going well but then the body malfunctioned and he got hit and had to drag himself to the science lab, or something like that, it might have made it more interesting. But as it is, it bored me.

Zeo - What I was looking for was a sense of subtlety. It's easy to write something that says "itemitemitem," but I was looking for pieces that used the item creatively in the story. I felt like "Superior Theft" (which is also a creative title) had an interesting story with the item as a key aspect of the plot. It didn't need to convey a sense of desperation for wanting the item; rather, it used the item in an interesting way without being too obvious. There were some language issues, but not ones that couldn't be fixed up. In regards to content, I do think that KOC had some good points about the subject matter (which I agree with mostly), but this one gets first place for me because of the way the item was used as part of the story.

days - I loved the way you used the item in this. At first, I had it confused with the Mecha Form, but then it dawned on me that it was the Superior Form instead (I get them mixed up). One problem, though: You didn't use it much, but words and phrases all in capital letters tend to put me off from the story. I would advise you not to use them if possible, and try to show the emotion or urgency in your narration instead.

•The Love Mutt - Job Description* = 8 + 5 + 8.2 = 21.2

knight_of_chivalry - Another good story. It had a good flow and I could get into reading it easily. The reason why I wouldn't give it first is because she seemed to try to write it almost like a poem or (more like) a William Shatner imposter ( Like. Every. Word. Is. One. Sentence ) on at least one occasion - grammatically incorrect, and it took away from the overall quality and enjoyability of the story.

Also, throughout the whole story the main character is a psychiatrist... and then at the end, she's a part-time ballerina as a hobby.

???

That one came out of nowhere... its an outlier, and should be removed or more fully explained.

Zeo - I had some issues with this one. The style of the prose seemed based off the style of Chuck Palahniuk or some similar technique, but I don't feel it was done efficiently. That said, I did like the examination of a psychiatrist's mind (although I have to ask, why was s/he eating ramen on that kind of paycheck?!) and I liked the reference to past experiences. The item, then, was mentioned in the story in an interesting way (relating to the character's "motivation" or past love). Once again, it was brought into the story creatively rather than blandly or obviously. (In regards to KOC's comment about the ballerina bit--to me, it didn't feel out of place. It felt like the MC had given up a passion to pursue a "lucrative" career (but still ate ramen?), and the ballet toe shoes were relating to his/her memories and desires of the past.)

days - I liked the narration throughout the story, but I think the parantheticals could have been left out. I also think the pun you threw in there would be better if it was not in all-caps; it would blend in better like that. And if you meant to put emphasis on it, use italics instead of all-caps. They sort of throw me off when I read a story.

•Symphonica - Butterfly* = 8.5 + 6.9 + 8.2 = 23.6

knight_of_chivalry - I liked the general flow of the story and the imagery used. It actually grabbed me and pulled me inside the story; what's more, it was actually believable. For example, the death of the mother was built up - she got thinner and thinner, poorer and poorer, etc etc. Then she died. Not she just died out of nowhere after getting stabbed by some random person, like I've seen in some stories and which annoy the fudgsicle sticks out of me...

The only thing I was unsure about was the haiku's throughout the story... they seemed superficial, and didn't really contribute to the story. Besides, the third one had an incorrect syllable count of 5, 8, 5 (its supposed to be 5, 7, 5). But this wasn't big enough for it to lose its first place.

So, the moral of my rant is that the story made sense, it had good flow, and was written well enough to capture my attention.

Zeo - Good use of emotion, good use of language. The sense of hardship was powerful and meaningful. Again, there was a decent sense of subtlety, with the item playing a role in the story rather than being described outright. It had a very nice place in the story, as well.

days - You were worried about your usage of the item being to little, and I think it was. To be honest, the end of the story left me a bit confused, and I felt like it ended too quickly. I was expecting there to be some weird family curse or blessing or something, where they all got the butterfly wings, but instead, it was just the mother, and that made it seem a bit out of place.


*Critiques requested

Judges


(This is just to help allii keep track of who she's got stuff from.)

Poetry:
• Astaire - scores and critiques
• Seraphly - scores
• ambiguitylotus - scores and critiques

Prose:
• knight_of_chivalry - scores and critiques
• Zeo - scores and critiques
• days - scores and critiques
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:17 pm


Just to clarify: do you want us to critique each one and then offer our best three? (There are only four in the prose section, so I will only offer one I think is strongest unless it would be of greater benefit to you that I vote for three.) Just wanted to know. Thanks. smile

Zeo


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 9:28 pm


Is it just me, or should WingedComanche be disqualified because her poem seems to have nothing to do with any particular Gaian item?

I'm going to be honest: I'm not all that impressed with the poetry entries. Regardless, I did rank what, in my opinion, are the top three.

First Place- Issari (4/10)

I appreciate her poem for its interesting use of alliteration. It works well with the overall concept. Also, I think she captured the essence of her item better than any of the other contestants, though her punctuation and clarity do leave a little something to be desired.

Second Place- M u s e (2/10)

The repetition may be a bit too much, and I'm not thrilled about her lack of punctuation and the fact that she misspelled "truly", but she has a decent rhyme scheme and I appreciate her clarity. Also, the poem does seem to have a decent grasp of what would be an "ode" format.

Third Place- Nailo_Lullaby (1.5/10)

Unfortunately, I can't say that I gave this piece third because of merit: rather, it involved the fact that ManateeMan's doesn't have to do with a specific item, WingedComanche didn't seem to even read the rules at all, and kohana's was really hard to get through because of the total lack of grammar. So, there you have it.

(It should be noted that the others all received 0/10s from me)
PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 11:55 pm


@ Zeo: Since we're giving prizes for first, second, and third, I'd prefer to here your vote on who should get which.

@ Astaire: I decided at the time that WingedComanche wouldn't be disqualified (in the normal sense) for being completely off-topic... however, it seems reasonable for it to put her out of the running for any prize gold, just on the basis that being on-topic is a reasonable judging criterion.

So it's sort of like disqualifying, except that I don't take her poem down. ^^;;

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:56 am


hmm.. tis a hard one. But here we go:

1) Symphonica

I liked the general flow of the story and the imagery used. It actually grabbed me and pulled me inside the story; what's more, it was actually believable. For example, the death of the mother was built up - she got thinner and thinner, poorer and poorer, etc etc. Then she died. Not she just died out of nowhere after getting stabbed by some random person, like I've seen in some stories and which annoy the fudgsicle sticks out of me...

The only thing I was unsure about was the haiku's throughout the story... they seemed superficial, and didn't really contribute to the story. Besides, the third one had an incorrect syllable count of 5, 8, 5 (its supposed to be 5, 7, 5). But this wasn't big enough for it to lose its first place.

So, the moral of my rant is that the story made sense, it had good flow, was written well enough to capture my attention, and should take the first prize. In my opinion at least...

8.5/10

2) The Love Mutt

Another good story. It had a good flow and I could get into reading it easily. The reason why I wouldn't give it first is because she seemed to try to write it almost like a poem or (more like) a William Shatner imposter ( Like. Every. Word. Is. One. Sentence ) on at least one occasion - grammatically incorrect, and it took away from the overall quality and enjoyability of the story.

Also, throughout the whole story the main character is a psychiatrist... and then at the end, she's a part-time ballerina as a hobby.

???

That one came out of nowhere... its an outlier, and should be removed or more fully explained.

But, its good enough so that it should take 2nd place.

8/10

3)The Scaly Bard

I couldn't get into this story as well as the other ones. Sci Fi is kindof like Pacman - its easy to learn to do, but hard to master. Which is the case here. With any other genre, this story could've been a lot better - however, because there were things and terms coming out of nowhere (Immortal droid bodies, etc) that were not fully explained or accounted for, and their appearence was not built up - they just appeared out of nowhere. Also, the main character single handedly beat up a large amount of people without taking any damage for himself, making the eventual ending predictable. If it was more... things were going well but then the body malfunctioned and he got hit and had to drag himself to the science lab, or something like that, it might have made it more interesting. But as it is, it bored me.

6.5/10

However... despite these things, it was decently written. It takes the third prize mainly because the 4th story, written by Imalane, was completely random and was impossible to become interested in. World's other than our own only work in short stories if they are well introduced and accounted for. Which this did not. It seemed comical and childish, and... just too... what's the word..... fake. You can't lose yourself in it, you aren't there next to the characters, even while reading it your still sitting on your computer eating a tub of ice cream for your dinner. Not fun.

(5/10)
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 1:36 pm


EDIT: Scores in red.


Alright. I've got my three choices. smile

1. The_Scaly_Bard - Superior Theft

What I was looking for was a sense of subtlety. It's easy to write something that says "itemitemitem," but I was looking for pieces that used the item creatively in the story. I felt like "Superior Theft" (which is also a creative title) had an interesting story with the item as a key aspect of the plot. It didn't need to convey a sense of desperation for wanting the item; rather, it used the item in an interesting way without being too obvious. There were some language issues, but not ones that couldn't be fixed up. In regards to content, I do think that KOC had some good points about the subject matter (which I agree with mostly), but this one gets first place for me because of the way the item was used as part of the story.

Score: 7/10

2. Symphonica - Butterfly

Good use of emotion, good use of language. The sense of hardship was powerful and meaningful. Again, there was a decent sense of subtlety, with the item playing a role in the story rather than being described outright. It had a very nice place in the story, as well.

Score: 6.9/10

3. The Love Mutt - Job Description

I had some issues with this one. The style of the prose seemed based off the style of Chuck Palahniuk or some similar technique, but I don't feel it was done efficiently. That said, I did like the examination of a psychiatrist's mind (although I have to ask, why was s/he eating ramen on that kind of paycheck?!) and I liked the reference to past experiences. The item, then, was mentioned in the story in an interesting way (relating to the character's "motivation" or past love). Once again, it was brought into the story creatively rather than blandly or obviously. (In regards to KOC's comment about the ballerina bit--to me, it didn't feel out of place. It felt like the MC had given up a passion to pursue a "lucrative" career (but still ate ramen?), and the ballet toe shoes were relating to his/her memories and desires of the past.)

Score: 5/10

It goes without saying that "It's Not Naruto," while vaguely cute, did not employ a very good sense of subtlety and was much too talk-about-the-item oriented. Given that this was my biggest criteria for determining my choices, this one didn't even get consideration after seeing the other ones.

I should ask: they wanted critiques on these, right? I can critique them as actual bodies of work (intent aside), but it will take a bit of time to do each one. Should I just post them here when I'm done?

Zeo


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:13 pm


My Top Three

FIRST
Username: Issari
Title: Caged spirit falcon

Reason: There was some imagery in the piece and use of figurative language. There was a total disregard for grammatical conventions and a horrible fixation for the comma, but artistically speaking it was the only one that used a poetic device (aside from MM who didn't write about an actual piece).
Rate: 5/10

SECOND
Username: M u s e
Title: Dear Kitsune Mask

Reason: It was marginally better than Nailo_Lullaby. Perhaps because the ratio to repeating the item in questin' (no pun intended) is less than than Nailo's by one half. There was still little imagery and I was quite bored, but it wasn't completely gut wrenching.
Rate 4/10

THIRD
Username: Nailo_Lullaby
Poetry Title: Elven Ears

Reason: Because it didn't use the line "A thing worn upon out head"
Rate: 3.5/10
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 11:36 pm


Honestly? Reading through the poetry made me glad I was critiquing prose. Then again, the prose could have been just as bad, but longer. Happily, they weren't too terrible.

Zeo


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 8:06 am


Zeo
Honestly? Reading through the poetry made me glad I was critiquing prose. Then again, the prose could have been just as bad, but longer. Happily, they weren't too terrible.


lol.. yea, the prose wasn't too bad this time thankfully.. unlike the poetry...

makes me wish I had the time to enter the poetry...
PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:38 am


For critiques - yes, post them in here, please. I'll put them up in the other thread together.

Also, should I say who gave which critiques, or do you all think it would be better if they don't know who wrote which specific critique?

Also also, if you're willing to put a score out of 10, that'll help in figuring out final rankings.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:48 pm


alliisara
For critiques - yes, post them in here, please. I'll put them up in the other thread together.

Also, should I say who gave which critiques, or do you all think it would be better if they don't know who wrote which specific critique?

Also also, if you're willing to put a score out of 10, that'll help in figuring out final rankings.


Well... what I have above is pretty much my critique. I won't be adding anything more to that, unless you guys wish it of me.

I think that the critiques should be anonymous, because personally I don't recognise all of these writers and I don't want any hate mail.

And I shall add my scores shortly.
PostPosted: Sat Oct 27, 2007 1:07 pm


Hello! Checking in finally! Thanks for waiting for me!

Seriously, I wanna cry with these entries. Collectively, they were not as great as I'd like them to be.

First Place: Issari

This poem has serious issues with comma rules and fragments; it reads like a long run-on sentence fragment as noted with one period at the end of the entire poem. Other issues include spelling errors (which could be easily solved by using a spell-checker) and the incorrect usage of homonyms ("its" vs. "it's").

However, she captured the essence of her item better than any of her fellow contestants. I appreciated the fact that she used a few poetic devices such as alliteration and experimentation with sounds (rhyming words). She also created a sense of dynamic/motion in the poem.

Overall Score: 4/10


Second Place: M u s e

This poem is just slightly better than Nailo_Lullaby's because it didn't overuse repetition. However, it is lacking in punctuation. I did not like the way the commas were used in the poem; they made some parts of the poem read choppily. Other poetic devices included rhyme and the fact that it was written like an ode. So, I'll give a small credit to those things, even though there is little stimulation for me to engage in the poem itself. Also, "truely" is misspelled. And who in the world would be using "thee"s in speech nowadays? Wrong century!!

Overall Score: 3/10


Third Place: Nailo_Lullaby

This poem has too much repetition that's on the brink of getting annoying. It abuses the usage of commas (because commas are not used to END EVERY SINGLE LINE of the poem)! It has a weak rhyme scheme that really doesn't engage me as a reader or critic at all.

However, this poem gets 3rd place because it focused on a specific item unlike ManateeMan's poem (which I think should deserve the real 3rd place if only he focused on one specific item instead of the vague "donations").

Overall Score: 2/10


Other Comments:

kohana28's poem was extremely difficult to read because of her total lack of grammatical conventions. Punctuation and capitalization were poorly used. Despite of all these things, this poem would have some merit because of the fact that she almost set it up in the form of a riddle: give a description and let the reader guess what the item is throughout the poem until the end. If she had adhered to grammar, this poem would have potential.

WingedComanche's poem did not follow the rules of contest at all, so it's automatic disqualification.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2007 9:28 pm


Add to Muse's under mine: The lack of imagery severely irks me, though.

Manateeman could have conceivably gotten third if he didn't neglect to choose a specific item. That said, while his poem has a clear theme, it abuses commas (too many/not enough) and generally sounds trite and cliche. I guess it would work as one of those poems they put on motivational posters, but I can't see it working anywhere else. His rhythm is decent, though, and his rhyming fits the poem.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 29, 2007 1:04 am


Okie, here's for ManateeMan:

This poem would have gotten the real 3rd place if only he focused on one specific item instead of the vague "donations". Furthermore, this poem abuses commas, splitting up sentences incorrectly, putting commas where they don't belong, etc.. And why is there a hyphen after "questing" in the last line of the poem? It should NOT be there, although it seems as if the contestant wanted to place it there to create a pause. But with the rhyming scheme, I don't think it'll work out. Finally, I have to cringe with the cliches used in the poem; the message/feeling I get from this poem echoes that of the famous Three Musketeers: "all for one and one for all".

Despite all of that, I like the fact that he captured the essence of "questers", which everyone can relate to here on Gaia. His rhyming scheme fits with the poem and flows fairly well.


Other notes:

I agree with Astaire regarding Muse's poem about lacking in imagery. Nailo's poem has the same problem as well.

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