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iPod?
  Hell no, unnecessary crap from Apple.
  iPods are the best.
  I don't do that portable m00zic thing.
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-The Gray Legend-
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:09 pm


Well, I remember I wanted to get an iPod because I thought they were the best Mp3 player on the market. Well, I eventually decided on the Sansa e260, which is not only NOT an iPod, it's better.

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That's my Mp3 player. The 4gb Sansa e260. It plays Mp3, Wma, videos, and a thousand file formats of images, has FM radio. I can use it for whatever I want, and only for 110 dollars (or 120, I forgot which, but it's still cheaper than an iPod).

Anyway, back to the reasons why the iPod isn't necessary.

1. There's no point spending the same amount of money on a 30gb iPod Video on an 8gb iPod Nano (but that's probably Circuit City's fault.)
2. No FM radio.
3. I don't have to buy another (expensive) iPod model just to play videos.
4. iPods have a confusing interface. My Sansa is easy to use.
5. iPod's are needlessly expensive.
6. Sound quality sucks (Canis made me remember). I remember listening to an iPod, the drums were too ******** loud, and when I turned down the volume I could barely hear s**t. Lol, that guy spend ten seconds with my Sansa and said "Yo, I want this! This is so much better than an iPod!!"
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 7:32 pm


Cool, although, I voted for that last option on the poll. XD
Still costs too much for me.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 8:56 pm


I wanna find something I've wanted all along....

Another thing you should put up there Wii4Me...the quality of iTunes music SUCKS. Ripping music off your CD's sounds a lot better. iTunes dumbs down audio to appeal to 56k(dial-up) users I assume.

While CD's are ridiculously overpriced, the quality is better, and iTunes makes things a lot more complicated then they should be...well it's easy and simple for the average person since all they know is "connect iPod, click transfer music to iPod on iTunes, and done".

I'd much rather connect my audio player to my computer and copy my audio files onto the memory stick/storage device so I see what is in it and I can change file names myself. Plus, the whole head phone jack to USB thing with the iPod shuffle is just weird to me. I figure an actual mini-USB connector would transfer faster than that.

....Somewhere I belong
PostPosted: Sun Oct 21, 2007 11:51 pm


Wii4Mii
1. There's no point spending the same amount of money on a 30gb iPod Video on an 8gb iPod Nano (but that's probably Circuit City's fault.)
2. No FM radio.
3. I don't have to buy another (expensive) iPod model just to play videos.
4. iPods have a confusing interface. My Sansa is easy to use.
5. iPod's are needlessly expensive.
1. Huh?
2. Add-on. Or, if you are super-hardcore-EE-major, you could build the module yourself for less than $10 (but, then again, I did have most of the parts lying around, so that number could be off)
3. I think they all play video now. Also, there was iPod linux for all the older versions
4. Matter of opinion
5. What about the Zune? I think that is needlessly expensive.

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Another thing you should put up there Wii4Me...the quality of iTunes music SUCKS. Ripping music off your CD's sounds a lot better. iTunes dumbs down audio to appeal to 56k(dial-up) users I assume.

While CD's are ridiculously overpriced, the quality is better, and iTunes makes things a lot more complicated then they should be...well it's easy and simple for the average person since all they know is "connect iPod, click transfer music to iPod on iTunes, and done".

I'd much rather connect my audio player to my computer and copy my audio files onto the memory stick/storage device so I see what is in it and I can change file names myself. Plus, the whole head phone jack to USB thing with the iPod shuffle is just weird to me. I figure an actual mini-USB connector would transfer faster than that.

Quality of iTunes? You mean the store, not the application itself, I assume. If thats the case, then don't use the store.

Also, you could manually transfer the songs, since the folder is (on my mac, for example) /Volumes/Red Shadow VIipod_settings/music/, and you can do that manually, you just have to know what you are doing; you can also use the same method to extract songs, by the by.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:04 pm


RedShadowHero
Wii4Mii
1. There's no point spending the same amount of money on a 30gb iPod Video on an 8gb iPod Nano (but that's probably Circuit City's fault.)
2. No FM radio.
3. I don't have to buy another (expensive) iPod model just to play videos.
4. iPods have a confusing interface. My Sansa is easy to use.
5. iPod's are needlessly expensive.
1. Huh?
2. Add-on. Or, if you are super-hardcore-EE-major, you could build the module yourself for less than $10 (but, then again, I did have most of the parts lying around, so that number could be off)
3. I think they all play video now. Also, there was iPod linux for all the older versions
4. Matter of opinion
5. What about the Zune? I think that is needlessly expensive.

Quote:
Another thing you should put up there Wii4Me...the quality of iTunes music SUCKS. Ripping music off your CD's sounds a lot better. iTunes dumbs down audio to appeal to 56k(dial-up) users I assume.

While CD's are ridiculously overpriced, the quality is better, and iTunes makes things a lot more complicated then they should be...well it's easy and simple for the average person since all they know is "connect iPod, click transfer music to iPod on iTunes, and done".

I'd much rather connect my audio player to my computer and copy my audio files onto the memory stick/storage device so I see what is in it and I can change file names myself. Plus, the whole head phone jack to USB thing with the iPod shuffle is just weird to me. I figure an actual mini-USB connector would transfer faster than that.

Quality of iTunes? You mean the store, not the application itself, I assume. If thats the case, then don't use the store.

Also, you could manually transfer the songs, since the folder is (on my mac, for example) /Volumes/Red Shadow VIipod_settings/music/, and you can do that manually, you just have to know what you are doing; you can also use the same method to extract songs, by the by.
I wanna find something I've wanted all along....


Yes, I meant the quality of music on the iTunes store. I don't have to be that specific. That's the main thing iTunes is used for, buying music off the online store. I definitely don't use it as my default music player.

And you are making that sound really simple. You act like the DRM's don't exist at all. You can't just simply copy the files from your computer to another or a portable audio device and it work. You have to authorize the computer you are copying it to, and you have to go through iTunes to copy your music onto your iPod to get it to work right. My parents have the ipod shuffle, so when they connect it to the computer, they can't just go to my computer and go inside it. They have to go to iTunes and let it recognize it and copy the music itself.

So manually copying music is out of the question because pretty much all the songs on iTunes have DRM. Though you could always get an DRM decrypter, but then again, like I said, I'd rather buy a CD or get the music from some other online store because the quality of the songs off the iTunes store is bad.

....Somewhere I belong
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 3:29 pm





Rhapsody has the best quality I've heard in a while.

Plus, they have "buffet" subscriptions as well as the DL for 99 cent thing.

I personally hate that.

And I personally hate DRM, but that's another thing, I have Zune Marketplace (which i can use my Windows Live/XBL points or monthly/yearly card)for.


Speaking of Zune's, they didn't have 5 different models for 200+ bucks each.
Nor does MS force you to upgrade to another Zune to do new s**t, like advanced WiFi sharing, or new movie playback issues.

Firmware Apple?

But we all know who the real "mp3" threat is.

Sony.






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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:11 pm


Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
Yes, I meant the quality of music on the iTunes store. I don't have to be that specific. That's the main thing iTunes is used for, buying music off the online store. I definitely don't use it as my default music player.
I don't use it for mainly that, and I sure the masses out there don't either; either way, if you can afford an iPod, I am highly certain that you are willing to throw away money at a music store, for another point.

Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
And you are making that sound really simple. You act like the DRM's don't exist at all. You can't just simply copy the files from your computer to another or a portable audio device and it work.
Was I talking about DRM specifically? Nope.

Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
You have to authorize the computer you are copying it to, and you have to go through iTunes to copy your music onto your iPod to get it to work right. My parents have the ipod shuffle, so when they connect it to the computer, they can't just go to my computer and go inside it. They have to go to iTunes and let it recognize it and copy the music itself.
Once again, not with non-DRM music; I believe you have misunderstood me greatly here.

Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
So manually copying music is out of the question because pretty much all the songs on iTunes have DRM. Though you could always get an DRM decrypter, but then again, like I said, I'd rather buy a CD or get the music from some other online store because the quality of the songs off the iTunes store is bad.

....Somewhere I belong
So, you think that all iTunes has is DRM? Where is the source for that? Have you read the shift that Apple has made in terms of DRM? They are shifting away from it, as far as they can. EMI now offers DRM-free music, for example.
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:36 pm


RedShadowHero
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
Yes, I meant the quality of music on the iTunes store. I don't have to be that specific. That's the main thing iTunes is used for, buying music off the online store. I definitely don't use it as my default music player.
I don't use it for mainly that, and I sure the masses out there don't either; either way, if you can afford an iPod, I am highly certain that you are willing to throw away money at a music store, for another point.

Though there are many other portable audio players cheaper than iPods out there where you can do the same thing and rip audio from CD and copy files to it with ease by USB. Though the average person isn't really all that tech-savvy, so I guess I can see the need for an user-friendly interface like iTunes.

RedShadowHero
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
And you are making that sound really simple. You act like the DRM's don't exist at all. You can't just simply copy the files from your computer to another or a portable audio device and it work.
Was I talking about DRM specifically? Nope.

Again, plenty of other portable audio players out there that are cheaper and with more flexibility.

RedShadowHero
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
You have to authorize the computer you are copying it to, and you have to go through iTunes to copy your music onto your iPod to get it to work right. My parents have the ipod shuffle, so when they connect it to the computer, they can't just go to my computer and go inside it. They have to go to iTunes and let it recognize it and copy the music itself.
Once again, not with non-DRM music; I believe you have misunderstood me greatly here.

Then again, other cheaper portable audio players out there.

RedShadowHero
Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
So manually copying music is out of the question because pretty much all the songs on iTunes have DRM. Though you could always get an DRM decrypter, but then again, like I said, I'd rather buy a CD or get the music from some other online store because the quality of the songs off the iTunes store is bad.

....Somewhere I belong
So, you think that all iTunes has is DRM? Where is the source for that? Have you read the shift that Apple has made in terms of DRM? They are shifting away from it, as far as they can. EMI now offers DRM-free music, for example.
I wanna find something I've wanted all along....


I don't think all, but I know most is. And they are? That's good to know I guess...now they need to offer different versions of songs. High Quality versions and the ones they already have to appeal to 56k users.

My only problem(well...2 counting the lower quality than CD's thing) with Apple and the iPod is the go overboard with being user-friendly. I would like more flexibility and actually be able to see what's on my(don't have one...hypothetical here) iPod by file browsing. It's good to be user-friendly, but give the same flexibility as some other portable audio players.

....Somewhere I belong

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:43 pm


Actually, the non-DRM songs you buy are higher quality, and they have been increasing the quality of the songs, now that that iTunes can pause a download if interrupted, and continue later, allowing users to download songs without fear of their internet (and apple) shutting them out.

As to the 'overboard user friendly' bit, I believe that most people do find it user friendly, and to those who don't like it, there is always iPod Linux wink
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:48 pm


RedShadowHero
Actually, the non-DRM songs you buy are higher quality, and they have been increasing the quality of the songs, now that that iTunes can pause a download if interrupted, and continue later, allowing users to download songs without fear of their internet (and apple) shutting them out.

As to the 'overboard user friendly' bit, I believe that most people do find it user friendly, and to those who don't like it, there is always iPod Linux wink
I wanna find something I've wanted all along....


Oh, really? I'll have to check this out then. Very nice. And I don't have a problem with it being user-friendly, I would really love it if my mom didn't come to me all the time asking me how to download songs and put it on her iPod sweatdrop I'd just like the same flexibility is all. Being able to put files on it outside of iTunes.

Of course, I've only had a chance to mess around with the shuffle, other versions probably do allow it. Haven't messed around with the iPod Video yet.

And yeah, I love me some Linux mrgreen

....Somewhere I belong

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RedShadowHero

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 5:51 pm


Also, I want to clarify that I did not mean to say that iPod was superior, I'm just one of those a**l engineer types that want to make sure that technologically incorrect or biased information is handed out... unfortunately, that also carries over to video games *sigh*
PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 7:14 pm


Canis Lupus the LoneWolf
RedShadowHero
Actually, the non-DRM songs you buy are higher quality, and they have been increasing the quality of the songs, now that that iTunes can pause a download if interrupted, and continue later, allowing users to download songs without fear of their internet (and apple) shutting them out.

As to the 'overboard user friendly' bit, I believe that most people do find it user friendly, and to those who don't like it, there is always iPod Linux wink
I wanna find something I've wanted all along....


Oh, really? I'll have to check this out then. Very nice. And I don't have a problem with it being user-friendly, I would really love it if my mom didn't come to me all the time asking me how to download songs and put it on her iPod sweatdrop I'd just like the same flexibility is all. Being able to put files on it outside of iTunes.

Of course, I've only had a chance to mess around with the shuffle, other versions probably do allow it. Haven't messed around with the iPod Video yet.

And yeah, I love me some Linux mrgreen

....Somewhere I belong
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RedShadowHero

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 8:56 pm


I don't have parents... so, I wouldn't know...
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