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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:14 am
One of my friends is having relationship problems, and decided to dump it on me. I don't even know what to tell her.
Let me present it to you guys, maybe you can help.
My friend, Person A, is in a relatively new relationship with Person B. Person A has had few relationships, is pretty straightlaced, and very vulnerable. Person B is a little wilder, more experienced, and seems to care deeply for Person A. Person A doesn't like that Person B uses and abuses drugs and alcohol, and tells Person B that they would like Person B to stop using drugs for Person B's health. A few days later, Person B tells Person A that they are giving up drugs and alcohol "for you". Person A is initially overjoyed, but then realizes that Person B should be giving up drugs for themselves. Person A then feels guilty and feels that they are forcing Person B to change.
Person A spoke to one of their friends, and the friend recommended that Person A dump Person B immediately before Person B starts using Person A. However, Person A really cares for Person B. Person A is confused and guilty, and doesn't want to hurt Person B. What should Person A do?
Holy crap, I've used the word "person" so many times, it barely feels like a word anymore.
Anyway, help me help Person A. I don't know s**t about relationships.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:18 pm
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:25 pm
Well, one's concerned enough for the other to voice their complaints... and the other's concerned enough for the feelings for the first to listen to said complaints, and probably act on them...
So, they both care for each other, and both seem to respect the other's feelings...
So why in the name in hell should the first person break up with the second? o_o
I mean, if I'm missing something... then disregard what I said, however, if their relationship is based on caring and trust, then I see no reason for it to be broken, nor do I see anything wrong with it as is... o.o
and I'm curious as to how the hell person A's friend thinks that person B will "use" person A, when person B wants to do things to make person A happy? o_o
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:35 pm
Sibeiko Well, one's concerned enough for the other to voice their complaints... and the other's concerned enough for the feelings for the first to listen to said complaints, and probably act on them... So, they both care for each other, and both seem to respect the other's feelings... So why in the name in hell should the first person break up with the second? o_o I mean, if I'm missing something... then disregard what I said, however, if their relationship is based on caring and trust, then I see no reason for it to be broken, nor do I see anything wrong with it as is... o.o and I'm curious as to how the hell person A's friend thinks that person B will "use" person A, when person B wants to do things to make person A happy? o_o See, the girl Person A talked to is a psych major. She says that as a drug abuser, Person B could be manipulating and guilt-tripping Person A, and might just drag Person A on an emotional rollercoaster. This would construe as emotional abuse for Person A. They do care for each other, it seems, but Person A doesn't want to force Person B to change "for" Person A. Person A would feel guilty if they ever had to break up with Person B, because if Person B gave up drugs for Person A's sake, they would just go back to drugs. It's kind of a complicated situation in Person A's head.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:50 pm
In that case, I really couldn't tell ya anything, without knowing what's going on...
If Person B doesn't intend to quit, then person B's lies would definitely be harmful to person A... and that would show a bit of disrespect from "B" to "A"
However, if "B" does intend to quit, and does care for "A" then there's nothing wrong at all, and from the way you described it, it sounds like the latter (but, still can't tell unless I could "examine" the relationship in it's entirety)
And, if "A" manages to get "B" to quit for ANY reason, then it's better than if "B" hadn't quit, even if "B" goes back, "A" can't really hold his/herself accountable since without "A's" involvement, "B" would still be doing drugs, and wouldn't have had that reprieve during their relationship... And if "B" (if the relationship splits) doesn't go back to drugs, then "A's" actions did something really good, even if it was only "for you"...
And yes, many drug abusers do have a tendency to manipulate people, however, they're just people to, and they can care for others, and can quit so that lives (both their own and others) are made better...
And one more thing... I wouldn't be surprised if the "psych major" was over analyzing the situation, as my psychologists are prone to do...
And one more note (don'tcha love the ands? ^_^) just what kind of "drug abuse" is person "B" dealing with? I mean, the term "abuse" can be tossed about kinda lightly in our society, and if it's something like a drink every now and then, or a puff of marijuana (ignoring the illegality here...) here or there, then I really wouldn't think the term "abuse" applies, though someone in a relationship would likely use that term for their significant other, if they were only "occasionally" using drugs... I mean, I'm not saying that "B" doesn't have a problem, but "A" may be over stressing the severity of the situation...
But, going with the exact details you said at face value, it looks like they both care for each other, and they shouldn't break anything up, especially for something like one person actually listening to the other... ^_^( )
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 8:54 pm
Person B chiefly uses inhalants. Person A is afraid that it will turn into something worse, or that Person B's use will give them severe brain damage. When Person B goes drinking, they get completely drunk and has sexual contact with random people. Person B once received a (curable) STD due to these experiences.
It's just that Person A doesn't want to force Person B around. sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:00 pm
Okay... that sounds like a "drug abuse" issue to me, then... o_o
And... so "B" cheats on "A"? Maybe "B" doesn't care as much about "A" as it looks... but Iono...
The only real way that someone not in the relationship could tell is if "B" actually makes good on the quitting...
And "A" should know that yes, forcing someone around isn't good, but keeping quiet when there's a problem is just as bad... o.o
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:02 pm
Sibeiko Okay... that sounds like a "drug abuse" issue to me, then... o_o And... so "B" cheats on "A"? Maybe "B" doesn't care as much about "A" as it looks... but Iono... The only real way that someone not in the relationship could tell is if "B" actually makes good on the quitting... And "A" should know that yes, forcing someone around isn't good, but keeping quiet when there's a problem is just as bad... o.o B claims that they have not had sex with anyone else since they have started their relationship with A. However, A doesn't drink at all or go drinking with B, but they trust B. I dunno. A says she just feels guilty.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:11 pm
Anael De Ezra Sibeiko Okay... that sounds like a "drug abuse" issue to me, then... o_o And... so "B" cheats on "A"? Maybe "B" doesn't care as much about "A" as it looks... but Iono... The only real way that someone not in the relationship could tell is if "B" actually makes good on the quitting... And "A" should know that yes, forcing someone around isn't good, but keeping quiet when there's a problem is just as bad... o.o B claims that they have not had sex with anyone else since they have started their relationship with A. However, A doesn't drink at all or go drinking with B, but they trust B. I dunno. A says she just feels guilty. Well, there is a problem, and "A" shouldn't feel guilty for both trying to make "B" stop a self-destructive habit, nor should "A" feel guilty for standing up for what she wants... There may be a point in which a person in a relationship is too forceful, but "A" doesn't sound like they're anywhere near that point, especially since she's wondering if she was... if she really was too forceful, then she probably wouldn't be wondering if she was... ^_^
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:28 pm
Why the ******** should A dump B? Yeah, they SHOULD drop alcohol and drugs for themself, but just dropping them is a huge step. Eventually they'll only keep up with it for themself. I'm only not a diseased anorexic because I don't want Kichi to have that stress. Yeah, it's not for myself. It's for him. But it's keeping me healthy, right? Eventually I'll only stick with it if it's what I want.
A should just be careful and tell B they're proud of them and someday they hope B can keep off of it for their own purposes. And make it clear that they'll love them even if they do drugs and alcohol.
That's it. This shouldn't be a huge deal. :/
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:41 pm
Pixie Saylor Why the ******** should A dump B? Yeah, they SHOULD drop alcohol and drugs for themself, but just dropping them is a huge step. Eventually they'll only keep up with it for themself. I'm only not a diseased anorexic because I don't want Kichi to have that stress. Yeah, it's not for myself. It's for him. But it's keeping me healthy, right? Eventually I'll only stick with it if it's what I want. A should just be careful and tell B they're proud of them and someday they hope B can keep off of it for their own purposes. And make it clear that they'll love them even if they do drugs and alcohol. That's it. This shouldn't be a huge deal. :/ Yeah. Admittedly, A can overreact. Remember, A is very unexperienced with relationships. A did tell B that when B said they were quitting drugs, it was the best thing A had ever heard. A says they plan to stick by B, and A thinks A's friend might be a little jaded.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:28 pm
Anael De Ezra Pixie Saylor Why the ******** should A dump B? Yeah, they SHOULD drop alcohol and drugs for themself, but just dropping them is a huge step. Eventually they'll only keep up with it for themself. I'm only not a diseased anorexic because I don't want Kichi to have that stress. Yeah, it's not for myself. It's for him. But it's keeping me healthy, right? Eventually I'll only stick with it if it's what I want. A should just be careful and tell B they're proud of them and someday they hope B can keep off of it for their own purposes. And make it clear that they'll love them even if they do drugs and alcohol. That's it. This shouldn't be a huge deal. :/ Yeah. Admittedly, A can overreact. Remember, A is very unexperienced with relationships. A did tell B that when B said they were quitting drugs, it was the best thing A had ever heard. A says they plan to stick by B, and A thinks A's friend might be a little jaded. Ezzy, I have had TWO boyfriends before kichi, 1 which was in 6th grade and the other which was Ryan last summer which BARELY counts. I am up to my ears in lack of experience. xDD I agree that A's friend is jaded. XD They'll be fine.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 5:34 pm
Sib and Pixie already said most of what can be said on the subject but all I have to add is, people change only if they want to change. It doesn't matter what they say their reason is, they won't make a change unless they themselves want to somewhere inside.
The only reason Person A should dump person B is if Person B says "yeah, i'll change for you" but then never does anything different and keeps on with what they've been doing. But if Person B makes a real effort and does start to make a change, then there's no reason Person A should dump B because they're not being lied to.
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