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 Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:37 am
I'm really sad on making this theory that popped in my head a few seconds a ago, but it really got me doubting Sasuke ever coming back to Konoha. I'm not saying we should stop going after SasuSaku [I heart this pairing, if I didn't, I would have left a looong time ago] i'm just typing what I think wink
So Sakura coming back to Konoha? Not really. After a few minutes after reading the Sasuke ever coming back thread in this forum, I suddenly got this feeling he might end up in the darkness forever...
Here are my reasons:
1.) Sasuke has been under Orochimaru's influence for some time now. Though he has killed Orochimaru, he has put in a good deal of influence in him. His goals in life are these: 1: Kill Itachi. and 2: Rebuild the clan. Now, killing Itachi would not be easy. Even if he HAS grown to such a towering height. It's a slim chance for Sasuke to come out alive after his duel with Itachi. Itachi has gone on many missions, to be in Akatsuki, you need to have so much abilities and power to be able to stay in that organization. And i'm sure, living there for quiet a while would have ENHANCED his power even more.
2.) Now, Sasuke has showed NO signs of ever wanting to go back to Konoha. Unless he wants to kidnap a certain pink-haired ninja to be his wife. If ever, the only reason he could ever go back there is by forcing him to go there. And once he's there, he'll receive punishment.
Now, I researched and I read in a book that ninja's, though they are sly and would do anything to finish the job, they have honor and have a strong hold on justice.
Sasuke has betrayed the village in order to obtain more power. Mayb they would have put him in house arrest for that when they found him again, but going under the apprenticeship of OROCHIMARU, the man who has tried to destroy them for some time now, erm...I think the Death Penalty is in the line. I'm just saying there's a chance, i'm not saying it's GOING to happen.
Now Tsunade, could let him stay in Konoha alive. But now, he is BANNED from being a ninja. Sasuke, his life is based on being a ninja. He'll never accept and would run away again.
Conclusion: There is such a slim chance he could ever go back to Konoha. There's also a chance he would even STAY in Sound.
Solution for this problem?
Let me give you a clue: She has pink hair. Still don't get it? Well, she is also his childhood friend AND teammate.
Haruno Sakura. She has the heart of gold. She became a medic nin for a reason. To HELP people.
Her love for Sasuke would never die, since he is her first love. Now, we all have had our first love in all our lives. You will always have this space for them in your heart. Sakura has this HUGE space for Sasuke in her heart. She is even willing to leave Konoha for him. Her love for him is so strong, not even Tsunade's strength would even keep her from leaving with Sasuke.
Her love for him will keep him company, and now here is my NEW Conclusion.
REAL CONCLUSION: Though Sasuke might never return to Konoha ever again, Sakura is willing to go with him and be his partner eternally and maybe even start a family with him and restore his beloved clan.
I hope I didn't upset anyone, if I did, i'm really sorry, but this is just my opinion. What I said here was not fact okay?
Please tell me what you guys think....
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:47 am
I definately agree with a lot of parts in this.
Though Sasuke has shown tremendous improvement and strength, I think a fight between him and his brother would be very, very close. I don't think Sasuke would die, but he'd definately be in critical condition. (Though, that's nothing Sakura can't handle. ;D)
And, yes, the village probably wouldn't accept Sasuke with open arms and hugs and kisses. However, Kakashi, Naruto, and Sakura, would defend his choices and fight for his rights. So, I think his punishment might be a bit lighter than it normally would be.
I like your final conclusion, though. The idea of Sasuke and Sakura running off to start a new life together gives me warm fuzzies. :3
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:26 am
Honestly, I DON'T agree, but you make some fine points.
First off, on the OUTWARD apppearance, it may look like that, but the themes of the manga beg to differ. The main theme is "bringing Sasuke back", "the new generation surprasses the last", "team bonds cannot be severed and are a true strenght that keep people together", "Team 7 succeeds where the Sannin failed".
If you look at it from THAT standpoint, it's pretty clear to see that the ground has been paved for them to bring Sasuke back to Konoha; and I doubt the Hokage and the rest of the village be so into having Naruto and Sakura bring him back, just to kill him. He's a valuable assest to the village, and everyone KNOWS his reason for leaving had nothing to do with dispising the village-- it was to get revenge on Itachi, which in it's own way secures safety of Konoha.
Sasuke probably will feel strange returning to the home he disowned, but that is where the legacy of the Uchiha he's been fighting to hard to protect lies. He can't just throw that away.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:39 am
THe thing you have to remember, though, is that this is fiction. And I doubt Kishimoto plans to leave Naruto with an un-happy ending. Not after all the pain fans have seen these characters go through.
While Sasuke never coming back seems like the most plausible outcome, because of the nature of these types of fiction, I highly doubt Sasuke will stay a loner for the rest of his life. (Even if Sakura is with him, Naruto would not be. And their relationship is a main device for this story, so I can't see them being seperated in the end.)
I agree that I think Konoha would give Sasuke a tough time if he ever came back.
But there's one thing that makes me second guess my opinion.
No one has said anything to Naruto about it.
Don't you think it's strange, that if the village did not want Sasuke back, Tsunade would TELL Naruto about it? Instead of letting him go off on these wild goose chases?
I donno, maybe we'll hear about it later, but I find it strange no one has said anything yet. Especialy the ninja that were actually hurt because of Sasuke's selfeshness (Not counting Naruto, 'cause, well, he's Naruto).
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:20 am
It seems really plausible that he wouldn't come back, but I don't feel that he would be totally spurned from society if he did choose to return. Tsunade wants him back, and many of his peers would accept him regardless. They may not like him, but they grew up around him, and they all have connections to him. Sasuke may have acted like an arsehole, but he is a member of their family, in a way.
But yes, he'd be in a hell of a lot of trouble.
I don't think that Kishimoto would take Sakura away from Naruto as well as Sasuke; I just can't see it happening.
~Sigh~ it's going to be hard to get him back. I'm relying on Sakura D<
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:10 pm
wow i think that the opinnion is really good i would hope that sakura will leave the village for sasuke but the other ones really make you think.
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:24 pm
Kono omoi wa mune ni shimatte okou...
I’ll keep this love in my heart…
Although that theory sounds very acceptable, I think, after a while, that they would accept him back into Konoha. I think they know that it was Orochimaru's influence that brought his betrayal, they knew he was young and immature--he'd be in trouble, but, after a while, forgiven.
But hey...that's just my 2 cents.
...”Nakushita shimatta...”
…”I’ve lost you…”
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:10 pm
I think he will come to Konoha, but you have some good points. Let's just wait and see, because this anime has been pretty unpredictable so far(in my opinion). Although I don't think Naruto and everybody else would spend so many episodes and chapters on trying to get him back if he wasn't coming back.
If he doesn't come back, however, I don't mind as long as he brings Sakura with him. ^.^ Good thing he sees how damn annoying Karin is, or we'd be in some deep s**t.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 9:55 am
I see your points and they do make a lot of sence. I feel that there may be a future reason that forces Tsunade to accept him back as a ninja. I do understand he has be under Oro's influence, but he never actually agreed with him. He mearly went with him to become stronger (though Itachi beat Orochimaru so how Orochimaru could help Sasuke become strong enough to defeat his brother is beyond me) I also must state the evedice of how the story has progressed this far. No matter how hopeless things may get or who Naruto is trying to "see the error of their ways" and no matter how they risit, he always manages to do it. (plus in the manga, Sasuke petted the kitty ^_^ that belonged to the cat woman. Now why would he do that?) Anyway that's just my theroy.
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Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 1:53 pm
I highly disagree. I would have to say that Sasuke does have to do a lot of things still in his life, and pretty soon, either Itachi is going to die, or he is going to beat Sasuke to a bloody pulp, but I don't think Sasuke would let himself die that easily.
I do agree with Moomoo, though. Sasuke probrally would have a slightly hard time, but, since even Tsunade wants him back, I don't think that he would be killed, probrolly just some of that probation. He will most liekly be forced to go back to the village only if they don't understand that he is about to kill Itachi. But, overall, he would go to the village again, unless he wanted to have kids with some random girl in which, they won't even get married, thus the Uchiha clan dying out.
Sasuke probrally has his whole plan of life plotted down, right to the number of steps he takes every day, and if something goes wrong, he always has a backup plan. So... I think he also wants to REVIVE the Uchiha clan, not just make babies for the heck of it.
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Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 11:34 pm
KanaRenee Honestly, I DON'T agree, but you make some fine points. First off, on the OUTWARD apppearance, it may look like that, but the themes of the manga beg to differ. The main theme is "bringing Sasuke back", "the new generation surprasses the last", "team bonds cannot be severed and are a true strenght that keep people together", "Team 7 succeeds where the Sannin failed". If you look at it from THAT standpoint, it's pretty clear to see that the ground has been paved for them to bring Sasuke back to Konoha; and I doubt the Hokage and the rest of the village be so into having Naruto and Sakura bring him back, just to kill him. He's a valuable assest to the village, and everyone KNOWS his reason for leaving had nothing to do with dispising the village-- it was to get revenge on Itachi, which in it's own way secures safety of Konoha. Sasuke probably will feel strange returning to the home he disowned, but that is where the legacy of the Uchiha he's been fighting to hard to protect lies. He can't just throw that away.
I agree.
- As much as Sasuke strongly shows he will never go back to Konoha, I believe somehow that one day he will, eventually. But not until he has killed Itachi (sad, I know) of course. I wouldn't understand why he wouldn't if Kishi has put so much into the bringing-Sasuke-back-to-Konoha plotline. Wouldn't make much sense right? Even if Sasuke was to turn out to be a villian (just for a little while) I think at the end they would hold a much stronger bond. Fan girl's believe, but watever.
- Also, like KanaRenee has said ( I can't say better), the Uchiha clan lies within Konoha, and how much of it does Kishi show Sasuke's will power and what he wants for his clan. He wants to restore it (eventhough it's not a main focus right now), and why the heck would he outside of Konoha, right?
Of course it wouldn't be a totally friendly environment first time returning to Konoha, but they'll all adjust. Sasuke was raised up in Konoha, trained in Konoha for most of his life, known around by many folks, and I'm think they all probably knew what a proud, brave ninja Sasuke was. Eventhough he left (I don't understand why called betrayed) the village, it was for a personal reason - no harms done or anything, and since Team 7 is so eager to bring him back, and Tsunade didn't even object at much at all I doubt they wouldn't want him back, honestly. He'll probably have to do some time for his punishment, but so far as the story goes right now, I highly doubt a death penalty. Naruto and Sakura might as well leave the village too if they can only bring Sasuke back just to be put to death xp
...Can't think of anything else.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:30 am
Here's my two cents on this topic. (Pretty good, this topic is, if you ask me. I've wanted a topic that would get me thinking, for a long time now.)
First off, I think, biases aside, Sasuke WILL come back to Konoha.
I've always believed that Sasuke, though Orochimaru has had a lot of influence on him, TRIES to fight away Orochimaru's influence. He does not kill like Orochimaru does. He has a goal that has nothing to do with killing people other than Itachi.
(But then again, that's not the point.)
Killing Itachi, obviously, is his eventual goal. I think, from the way Sasuke has reached god-modding status, he stands more of a chance of defeating Itachi. Sure, big bro may have more tricks up his Akatsuki coat sleeve, but Sasuke is going to be surprising Itachi with more of HIS own tricks.
Sasuke knows how Itachi works, and he has prepared himself for surprises. However, I doubt if Itachi knows just what Sasuke's skills are, right now. He may have guesses, but I doubt if he has prepared himself for surprises as much as Sasuke has.
I could be wrong, though. But I still firmly believe Sasuke's going to come out of the wreckage alive. (If only barely.)
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In the next point, even if Sasuke has showed no signs of wanting to go back, he hasn't shown any signs of NOT wanting to go back AFTER the big showdown. In fact, he hasn't been talking about what he'd like to do after, other than restore his clan. In my opinion, restoring his clan also means establishing the clan in Konoha once more, because it's in Konoha that the clan has roots.
As for punishment, I DO agree about the honor and justice system that a big organization of ninjas might have. They WILL be fair (at least, hopefully) when they deal with Sasuke, meaning, they will have to see the circumstances through Sasuke's eyes. Once they do, they might be able to see how strong Sasuke's sense of filial duty is. Yeah, there probably wouldn't be any death involved in his punishment, but taking away Sasuke's sense of being (seeing as a ninja is the only thing he knows how to be) is much crueler. And I just don't see the Konoha justice system working that way.
Also, the Sharingan is a very VERY valuable shinobi tool. The elders wouldn't want anything like that to slip under their hands. Even if it's dangerous, I'm sure they'd like to keep a dangerous weapon FOR THEMSELVES rather than risk another country getting it. So by hook or by crook, they're going to make Sasuke stay on as a ninja, and he is going to like it or so help them God.
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In the off-chance that Sasuke MIGHT not stay in Konoha, I don't think Sakura is going to go with him. Not willingly.
Reason?
Before Sasuke left, Sakura has been defined as having nothing but Sasuke on the brain. Not to say that all she could think of was him, but everything she does is CONNECTED to him. Take away Sakura's sense of being, and she's nothing but a shell of a character.
Until something else intervenes.
Remember that though Sasuke has quite a big influence on her, Naruto does too. Later on, Tsunade stamps her mark on Sakura's life as well. Naruto and Tsunade have made her more into a 3D character - something she hadn't been when it was only Sasuke she thought about. Naruto and Tsunade are tied down to the village because they love it, and I think that their love for their village will somehow resonate in Sakura too.
Now that Sakura has a greater sense of loyalty to the village, she would never leave it to follow her heart, which is with Sasuke. She'd rather chase after him and try to bring him back than spend the rest of her life never being affiliated to Konoha.
I haven't even begun to say anything how Naruto would feel if BOTH his beloved teammates left him. The show is called NARUTO for a reason - it's because no matter how melodramatic the fans may be, it's a shounen anime, and that only means that Naruto is going to get his happy ending. It wouldn't be a happy ending if he doesn't have Sasuke and Sakura by his side.
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Ten-chan's conclusion: Sasuke will be brought back, because if not, the entire plot (along with character developments) will be flushed down the toilet.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:02 am
Now you've got me thinking... xD;;
Perhaps, when Sasuke comes back... that's when ROOT will become a problem? (The leader who's name escapes me at the moment) doesn't seem like someone who wouldn't agree to letting Sasuke back in Konoha. And if Tsunade lets Sasuke come back without much of a penalty at all... who knows what that might spark.
But I donno, that was just my first thought after reading Tenshi's post.
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Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:27 am
MooMooJuice Now you've got me thinking... xD;; Perhaps, when Sasuke comes back... that's when ROOT will become a problem? (The leader who's name escapes me at the moment) doesn't seem like someone who wouldn't agree to letting Sasuke back in Konoha. And if Tsunade lets Sasuke come back without much of a penalty at all... who knows what that might spark. But I donno, that was just my first thought after reading Tenshi's post.
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Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2007 4:23 pm
Tenshi no Hana-chan Here's my two cents on this topic. (Pretty good, this topic is, if you ask me. I've wanted a topic that would get me thinking, for a long time now.)
First off, I think, biases aside, Sasuke WILL come back to Konoha.
I've always believed that Sasuke, though Orochimaru has had a lot of influence on him, TRIES to fight away Orochimaru's influence. He does not kill like Orochimaru does. He has a goal that has nothing to do with killing people other than Itachi.
(But then again, that's not the point.)
Killing Itachi, obviously, is his eventual goal. I think, from the way Sasuke has reached god-modding status, he stands more of a chance of defeating Itachi. Sure, big bro may have more tricks up his Akatsuki coat sleeve, but Sasuke is going to be surprising Itachi with more of HIS own tricks.
Sasuke knows how Itachi works, and he has prepared himself for surprises. However, I doubt if Itachi knows just what Sasuke's skills are, right now. He may have guesses, but I doubt if he has prepared himself for surprises as much as Sasuke has.
I could be wrong, though. But I still firmly believe Sasuke's going to come out of the wreckage alive. (If only barely.)
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In the next point, even if Sasuke has showed no signs of wanting to go back, he hasn't shown any signs of NOT wanting to go back AFTER the big showdown. In fact, he hasn't been talking about what he'd like to do after, other than restore his clan. In my opinion, restoring his clan also means establishing the clan in Konoha once more, because it's in Konoha that the clan has roots.
As for punishment, I DO agree about the honor and justice system that a big organization of ninjas might have. They WILL be fair (at least, hopefully) when they deal with Sasuke, meaning, they will have to see the circumstances through Sasuke's eyes. Once they do, they might be able to see how strong Sasuke's sense of filial duty is. Yeah, there probably wouldn't be any death involved in his punishment, but taking away Sasuke's sense of being (seeing as a ninja is the only thing he knows how to be) is much crueler. And I just don't see the Konoha justice system working that way.
Also, the Sharingan is a very VERY valuable shinobi tool. The elders wouldn't want anything like that to slip under their hands. Even if it's dangerous, I'm sure they'd like to keep a dangerous weapon FOR THEMSELVES rather than risk another country getting it. So by hook or by crook, they're going to make Sasuke stay on as a ninja, and he is going to like it or so help them God.
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In the off-chance that Sasuke MIGHT not stay in Konoha, I don't think Sakura is going to go with him. Not willingly.
Reason?
Before Sasuke left, Sakura has been defined as having nothing but Sasuke on the brain. Not to say that all she could think of was him, but everything she does is CONNECTED to him. Take away Sakura's sense of being, and she's nothing but a shell of a character.
Until something else intervenes.
Remember that though Sasuke has quite a big influence on her, Naruto does too. Later on, Tsunade stamps her mark on Sakura's life as well. Naruto and Tsunade have made her more into a 3D character - something she hadn't been when it was only Sasuke she thought about. Naruto and Tsunade are tied down to the village because they love it, and I think that their love for their village will somehow resonate in Sakura too.
Now that Sakura has a greater sense of loyalty to the village, she would never leave it to follow her heart, which is with Sasuke. She'd rather chase after him and try to bring him back than spend the rest of her life never being affiliated to Konoha.
I haven't even begun to say anything how Naruto would feel if BOTH his beloved teammates left him. The show is called NARUTO for a reason - it's because no matter how melodramatic the fans may be, it's a shounen anime, and that only means that Naruto is going to get his happy ending. It wouldn't be a happy ending if he doesn't have Sasuke and Sakura by his side.
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Ten-chan's conclusion: Sasuke will be brought back, because if not, the entire plot (along with character developments) will be flushed down the toilet. Bravo, Tenshi! ^.^ I agree with you completely. *claps*
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