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 Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:04 am
 A Debate on Abortion - Religion Morals/Laws
Your Opinion?
-Wikipedia Defines Abortion As:-
An abortion is the removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus from the uterus, resulting in or caused by its death. This can occur spontaneously as a miscarriage or be artificially induced by chemical, surgical or other means. "Abortion" can refer to an induced procedure at any point during human pregnancy; it is sometimes medically defined as either miscarriage or induced termination before the point of viability.[1] Throughout history, abortion has been induced by various methods and the moral and legal aspects of abortion are subject to intense debate in many parts of the world.
- Vocabulary -
#1 Spontaneous abortion (miscarriage): An abortion due to accidental trauma or natural causes. Most miscarriages are due to incorrect replication of chromosomes; they can also be caused by environmental factors.
#2 Induced abortion: Abortion that has been caused by deliberate human action. Induced abortions are further subcategorized into therapeutic and elective:
* Therapeutic abortion: An abortion performed either...
o to save the life of the pregnant woman;[2]
o to preserve the woman's physical or mental health;[2]
o to terminate pregnancy that would result in a child born with a congenital disorder that would be fatal or associated with significant morbidity;[2] or
o to selectively reduce the number of fetuses to lessen health risks associated with multiple pregnancy.[2]
* Elective abortion: Abortion performed for any other reason.
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-From Planned Parenthood -
The chances are high that a woman will have more than one unplanned pregnancy in the course of her lifetime. More than one-third of all U.S. women will have an abortion by the time they are 45 years old. About six million women in the U.S. become pregnant every year. Half of those pregnancies are unintended. Nearly 1.3 million women choose abortion to end their pregnancy each year.
The most common reasons a woman chooses abortion are
* She is not ready to become a parent.
* She cannot afford a baby.
* She doesn't want to be a single parent.
* She doesn't want anyone to know she has had sex or is pregnant.
* She is too young or too immature to have a child.
* She has all the children she wants.
* Her husband, partner, or parent wants her to have an abortion.
* She or the fetus has a health problem.
* She was a survivor of rape or incest.
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-Methods-
Medication
Vaccuum Aspiration
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- Some Helpful Info -
The embryo cannot feel pain for the first 20 weeks in a pregnancy.
Nearly 99% of all pregnancies are done before week 20. It may be even possible that the fetus will not be able to feel pain through out the whole pregnancy. If the fetus was able to feel pain which would be sometimes near the 28th week, procedures are very rare after that point and used for only rare medication conditions.
In the U.S., induced abortion was common among Native Americans, and it was legal from colonial times to the middle of the 19th century. But unclean, primitive medical practices made it very dangerous. To protect women’s lives, laws against abortion began to be passed during the mid-1800s. But by the middle of the 20th century, cleaner, more advanced medical procedures made safe abortion possible. All U.S. laws against abortion were overturned in 1973 by the landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade. Today, abortion is legal nationwide and is one of the safest of all available medical procedures. --from PlannedParentHood
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-Things To Take Into Account-
Women's Rights.
Adoption Is An Alternative
Women not allowed to get abortions will either usually: Abuse, Neglect, Abandon their babies.
Religious View Points.
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-You Are Either-
Pro-Choice.
A person who thinks it is everyone's decision to do what they want to do.
OR
Pro-Life.
A Person who thinks life comes before the choice of other people and what they wish to do.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:07 am
My thoughts on abortion -
I am pro-choice. Although, personally, abortion is not for me. I would never choose that only because I know how emotionally painful it will be for me and the fact that I am killing something I created with another person (probably my boyfriend).
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 5:39 am
I am pro-choice as well.
I used to think if I ever got pregnant I'd immediately get rid of the child. I wasn't much of a kid person.
That's changed a lot now. I'd probably keep the baby.
But unless Jack has some secret p***s she's not telling me about...I'm probably not going to get pregnant anytime soon.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:21 am
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:22 am
I'm pro-choice. For one thing, making abortions illegal doesn't stop women from getting them- it just makes it a lot unsafer for them to do so. I would like to think I'd never get one myself, but at the same time, I can't know that because I haven't been in that kind of situation. I don't want kids- I would be a horrible mother- but if I were to get pregnant I'd like to think I'd keep the child.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 9:28 am
I'm definately pro choice.
I'm not ready for a child, and I hate sex with a condom. There were high chances for me to get 3 different girls pregnant. If any of them did get pregnant, I know for sure I would not have been there, and would have wanted them to get an abortion.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 10:00 am
I had an argument with my best friend about this a while back, because he kept saying he would never want me to have an abortion, and I kept telling him it wasn't his choice.
For a long time I insisted, though I don't anymore, that guys shouldn't have any say in an abortion- because if she wants an abortion obviously he f*cked up somewhere. If he wants her to get one, too damn bad, she's the one who has to go through childbirth and presumably can't just abandon the kid, it's her decision. I've known way too many girls who got pregnant and then had the father say "Screw it, you're on your own."
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 4:03 pm
I'm Pro Choice all the way.
I think that it should be up to the women, because it's her body no one else's and no one and I mean NO ONE has the right to tell someone what to do with their body.
Also like gore It would be very emotional for me and I don't think I could live with killing another living breathing child. Especially if it was made from the person I love and I.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 6:20 pm
pro-choice. A woman can choose for herself.
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Posted: Mon Oct 08, 2007 11:27 pm
A while back I had a pregnant scare. I was on the pill so it wasn't like I was just ******** unprotected but my period wouldn't come... and wouldn't come... and wouldn't come... My boyfriend and I started talking about options. I gave him the option of leaving. I told him I would never hold it against him and I would understand completely. He told me he'd never leave me like that. By this point, we were almost positive there was something inside of me. We strongly considered abortion. For a few reasons, and yes a lot of them were selfish on our part but some were considering the life the kid would lead as well. If you really want me to go into them all, PM me. But I'm not posting them here. A lot are highly personal. After like another month, I got my period again. I don't know what happened the first month but I thank the fates that it was a scare. After a few weeks of relief I was driving one day and thinking about it. And I started crying really really hard because of what I almost did. Killing something that was a part of me and a part of my boyfriend that would have been inside of me scared me really really bad. I don't know what I'd do if I was pregnant now. I am pro-choice. But I want you all to realize how hard and scary that choice is. I mean, maybe for some people it's nothing. But for a lot of people, it will be one of the hardest decisions of their life.
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Posted: Tue Oct 09, 2007 11:51 am
The reason I would at least consider an abortion is the same one I stated above: I would be a horrible mother. Dear gods, I can't keep a plant alive, I can't take care of a kid. I can't even babysit for a few hours, I'm that bad at it. However, there is still the option of getting the kid adopted- which I would be very cautious about since I don't have a lot of faith in my country's adoption laws, due to the mess they got my own parents into.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:15 pm
I'm Pro-Life.
I see it like this:
You decided to have sex and fully knew the consequences of your actions. If you got pregnant, oh well. Show some responsibility and take care of the child.
Now things like rape and such are excusable. It's not like you wanted that to happen.
I've always grown up in a Pro-Choice community and never really saw what they meant.
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 10:23 pm
the only reason a mother should have an abortion is if having the child threatens her life, and depending on her views, rape. even then, youd think theyd want to let the child live(im a guy so i dont know what you think).
*she is not ready to become a parent - give the child up for adoption. there are many people who are physically unable to have children so they look toward adoption. the catholic church even has a program for this.
*she cannot afford a baby - again with the adoption idea
*she doesnt want to be a single parent - parents usually help here, or you could find a boyfriend willing to help. and again, adoption.
*she doesnt want people to know she has had sex/is pregnant - this one is difficult, especially since its hard to hide an about to burst pregnant belly, but if they really didnt want that they shouldnt have been doing that. or atleast used reliable protection. this in conjunction with rape, im not sure what to think.
*she is too young or immature to have a child - well, apparently she was mature enough to have unprotected sex. and of course the always helpful catholics with *intro music* adoption.
*she has all the children she wants - masturbate or something. jeez. get some good quality condoms/pills. and of course, adoption.
*her husband/partner or parent wants her to have an abortion - well then her sex partner is a douche-hole. and the parent thing is tough, no comment there.
*she or the fetus has a health problem - this is one of the only situations where an abortion is logical. even then it must be truly nescessary.
*she was a survivor of rape or incest - the other situation where abortion is logical. rape is deffinately a reason. you had no control whatsoever. and my understanding of incest(coming from a 15 year old kid) is that it is having sex with somone in your family. the only time that would be nescesarry, would be in a rape situation.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:12 am
I would like to point out that neither pills nor condoms are 100% effective. Condoms come close, but guys, condoms break. Or get forgotten in the heat of the moment. It happens; it's not responsible, true, but it does happen. Like I said before I have very little faith in the adoption system at this point- I don't want to condemn a child to being shunted around foster houses his or her whole life. However, within the first few weeks, I would not consider there to be a child- there is a possibility of a child. Being a veterinary medical student has probably skewed my views on this, admittedly. I don't want a child. I could not take care of a child. So I have protected sex, but again, nothing is 100% effective. Well, we go take shifts in x-ray sometimes which is damn effective, but murky moral ground.
Think about all the people you see every day who clearly don't know how to parent. I know you see them, I can't walk in to the supermarket without tripping over unsupervised children. I'm not all that sure their parents should have had them if they're that incapable of responsibility.
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Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 10:55 am
Harrowing Blight I'm Pro-Life.
I see it like this:
You decided to have sex and fully knew the consequences of your actions. If you got pregnant, oh well. Show some responsibility and take care of the child.
Now things like rape and such are excusable. It's not like you wanted that to happen.
I've always grown up in a Pro-Choice community and never really saw what they meant. You are pro-choice.
When you are pro-life nothing is excusable.
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